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Old 12-26-2016, 01:49 PM
 
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Thomas Jefferson's Qur'an : Islam and the founders / Denise A.Spellberg, c2013, Alfred Knopf, 973.4609 SPEL 2013.

Notes

  • Introduction : Thomas Jefferson's Qur'an : imagining the Muslim as citizen at the founding of the United States -- The European Christian origins of negative, incorrect, curious, but sometimes accurate American ideas about Islam and Muslims, 1529-1797 -- Positive European Christian precedents for the toleration of Muslims, and their presence in colonial America, 1554-1706 -- What Jefferson learned, and didn't, from his Qur'an : his negative views of Islam, and their political uses, contrasted with his support for Muslim civil rights, 1765-1786 -- Could a Muslim be president? : Muslim rights and the ratification of the Constitution, 1788 -- Jefferson "the infidel" wages war against an Islamic power; entertains the first Muslim ambassador in Washington; decides on where to place the Qur'an in his library; and affirms his support for Muslim rights, 1790-1823 -- Beyond toleration : John Leland, Baptist advocate for the rights of Muslims, 1776-1841 -- Afterword why can't a Muslim be president? : eighteenth-century ideals of the Muslim citizen and their significance in the twenty-first century.
Summary

  • "In this original and illuminating book, Denise A. Spellberg reveals a little-known but crucial dimension of the story of American religious freedom-- a drama in which Islam played a surprising role. In 1765, eleven years before composing the Declaration of Independence, Thomas Jefferson bought a Qur'an. This marked only the beginning of his lifelong interest in Islam, and he would go on to acquire numerous books on Middle Eastern languages, history, and travel, taking extensive notes on Islam as it relates to English common law. Jefferson sought to understand Islam notwithstanding his personal disdain for the faith, a sentiment prevalent among his Protestant contemporaries in England and America. But unlike most of them, by 1776 Jefferson could imagine Muslims as future citizens of his new country. Based on groundbreaking research, Spellberg compellingly recounts how a handful of the Founders, Jefferson foremost among them, drew upon Enlightenment ideas about the toleration of Muslims (then deemed the ultimate outsiders in Western society) to fashion out of what had been a purely speculative debate a practical foundation for governance in America. In this way, Muslims, who were not even known to exist in the colonies, became the imaginary outer limit for an unprecedented, uniquely American religious pluralism that would also encompass the actual despised minorities of Jews and Catholics. The rancorous public dispute concerning the inclusion of Muslims, for which principle Jefferson's political foes would vilify him to the end of his life, thus became decisive in the Founders' ultimate judgment not to establish a Protestant nation, as they might well have done." -- From publisher's web site.
Length o viii, 392 pages : photos, index, chapter notes

A brilliant & important book about Islam & religious freedom in the fledgling US.

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Old 12-30-2016, 06:23 PM
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Just finished this gem:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillbilly_Elegy

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/11/bo...ove-trump.html

This really had nothing to do with Trump though, so the review in the NYTimes was misleading (imagine that). However, as Good Reads states:

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From a former Marine and Yale Law School Graduate, a poignant account of growing up in a poor Appalachian town, that offers a broader, probing look at the struggles of America’s white working class. Part memoir, part historical and social analysis, J. D. Vance’s Hillbilly Elegy is a fascinating consideration of class, culture, and the American dream.
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At times funny, disturbing, and deeply moving, this is a family history that is also a troubling meditation on the loss of the American dream for a large portion of this country.
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/...illbilly-elegy

Very well written - in fact, I couldn't put it down. I read it in two sittings!
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Old 02-04-2017, 12:02 PM
 
Location: New Mexico
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Notes on a century : reflections of a Middle East historian /Bernard Lewis, 1916- ; with Buntzie Ellis Churchill, c2012, Viking, 956.015 LEWI.

Subjects

  • Lewis, Bernard, -- 1916-
  • Middle East specialists -- Great Britain -- Biography.
  • Middle East -- Historiography.
  • Middle East -- History -- 20th century.
  • Middle East -- History -- 21st century.
Notes
  • Early days -- The war years -- In the Ottoman archives -- Cultural diplomacy -- Why study history? -- Episodes in an academic life -- Crossing the Atlantic -- The neighborhood -- The clash of civilizations -- Orientalism and the cult of right thinking -- Judgment in Paris -- Writing and rewriting history -- Politics and the Iraq War -- In sum.
  • Includes index.
Summary
  • Presents the life and career of the Middle East specialist, from his professional relationships with world leaders to his accomplishments in world politics, and offers the author's analysis of the political transformation of the region.
Length
  • ix, 388 pages : photos, index,
A worthwhile read. Lewis reminisces about his career, writings, tells stories, anecdotes about places, people, students, faculty. A very humane & learned man, dedicated to his craft & lifework. Very interesting on the changes he's seen in Islam over the decades.
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Old 02-08-2017, 12:08 AM
 
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This winter I've read 6 books that are guaranteed to put you on anti-depressants! Or have you going out on a shooting spree!

Unreliable Sources/A Guide to Detecting Bias In The New Media/Martin A Lee & Norman Solomon.

Gideon Spies/The Secret History Of The Mossad/Gordon Thomas (I learned that when a family member is used as a suicide bomber, the family receives a pension for the rest of their lives!)

Free Lunch/How The Wealthiest Americans Enrich Themselves At Gov't Expense And Stick You With The Bill/Pulitzer Prize-Winning Reporter David Cay Johnston

The Secret History of the American Empire/Economic Hit Men, Jackals and the Truth About Global Corruption by John Perkins

The Late Great State Of Israel/How Enemies Within And Without Threaten The Jewish Nation's Survival/Aaron Klein

Beyond Beef/The Rise And Fall Of The Cattle Culture/Jeremy Rifkin

With the last book, I have deleted Beef from my diet, forever and ever and ever!
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Old 02-08-2017, 04:07 AM
 
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This winter I've read 6 books that are guaranteed to put you on anti-depressants! Or have you going out on a shooting spree!

Unreliable Sources/A Guide to Detecting Bias In The New Media/Martin A Lee & Norman Solomon.

Gideon Spies/The Secret History Of The Mossad/Gordon Thomas (I learned that when a family member is used as a suicide bomber, the family receives a pension for the rest of their lives!)

Free Lunch/How The Wealthiest Americans Enrich Themselves At Gov't Expense And Stick You With The Bill/Pulitzer Prize-Winning Reporter David Cay Johnston

The Secret History of the American Empire/Economic Hit Men, Jackals and the Truth About Global Corruption by John Perkins

The Late Great State Of Israel/How Enemies Within And Without Threaten The Jewish Nation's Survival/Aaron Klein

Beyond Beef/The Rise And Fall Of The Cattle Culture/Jeremy Rifkin

With the last book, I have deleted Beef from my diet, forever and ever and ever!


Some of those do sound good. Which ones do you recommend?
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Old 02-08-2017, 04:21 AM
 
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Some of those do sound good. Which ones do you recommend?
All depends on your capacity for being depressed!

The Mossad book you can't put down for a minute, a real true spy thriller you'll never forget. How Mossad was able to get Adolph Eichman out of Argentina, on to a plane, back to Israel for a trial, is amazing in itself.

Unreliable Sources is another one you can't put down, history of bias in the media. From this book, you can't even trust PBS! But he gives you sources of unbiased media in the end of the book, some of which I already subscribe to.

Beyond Beef was a real eye-opener for me, I had no idea how much of the world has been destroyed due to cattle.
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Old 02-17-2017, 12:37 PM
 
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Beyond Beef/The Rise And Fall Of The Cattle Culture/Jeremy Rifkin

With the last book, I have deleted Beef from my diet, forever and ever and ever!

Looks interesting, thanks.
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Old 03-09-2017, 01:53 AM
 
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I just sadly finished reading The Incredible Journey by Tristan Jones, and what I hate about reading books like this is I get crazed, ravenous for a similar book to read afterwards, to get the same adrenaline rush, the same untold excitement and adventure!

I see he has previously written 2 other books, and I'll even risk going to prison to get my hands on those 2 books! Can't wait to read them!

What this man (is he even human?) endured on this ego trip of sailing from the lowest point in the world (Dead Sea) to the highest point in the world (Lake Titicaca in Bolivia) is nothing less than amazing!

Down the Red Sea to Yemen, then south around the Cape of South Africa, then across the Pacific to Belem, up the Amazon, where he had to turn around, then north to the Caribbean, then west to the Darien Gap, across the Panama Canal, south to Callao in Peru, transported the boat in the back of a Ford Pick-up, to Puno (Lake Titicaca), then east to Santa Cruz and thru the hellish Mato Grasso, then south to Asuncion and to Buenos Aires.

100's of close brushes with death, which will have your heart thumping like a jackhammer!

Trying to get a similar rush, I dived into a book about a trek around Macchu Picchu, which I put down after a few chapters (Boring in comparison!) and now onto a Paul Theroux travel book, Oceania, which won't give me nearly the rush, it will have to tide me over until I find another book I can get another good rush off of!
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Old 03-09-2017, 05:51 AM
 
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I just sadly finished reading The Incredible Journey by Tristan Jones, and what I hate about reading books like this is I get crazed, ravenous for a similar book to read afterwards, to get the same adrenaline rush, the same untold excitement and adventure!
Have you read Sea of Glory by Nathaniel Philbrick? It the true story of a whaling ship in the 1850s - they went from MA to the Cape Verde Islands, down to South America, around the tip, up through Chile, out to the Pacific Islands, and up to Portland and Seattle. It was a really interesting read.
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Old 03-09-2017, 06:17 AM
 
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This winter I've read 6 books that are guaranteed to put you on anti-depressants! Or have you going out on a shooting spree!

Unreliable Sources/A Guide to Detecting Bias In The New Media/Martin A Lee & Norman Solomon.

Gideon Spies/The Secret History Of The Mossad/Gordon Thomas (I learned that when a family member is used as a suicide bomber, the family receives a pension for the rest of their lives!)

Free Lunch/How The Wealthiest Americans Enrich Themselves At Gov't Expense And Stick You With The Bill/Pulitzer Prize-Winning Reporter David Cay Johnston

The Secret History of the American Empire/Economic Hit Men, Jackals and the Truth About Global Corruption by John Perkins

The Late Great State Of Israel/How Enemies Within And Without Threaten The Jewish Nation's Survival/Aaron Klein

Beyond Beef/The Rise And Fall Of The Cattle Culture/Jeremy Rifkin

With the last book, I have deleted Beef from my diet, forever and ever and ever!

Those do sound like fascinating nonfiction, but since I love eating beef, I will avoid the last one!
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