Living in Boston and working in Manchester NH (Harvard: university, DMV)

[massnative71]

Originally Posted by chicagoliz

What, exactly, did you see happen? I've been a poll watcher and never seen any such thing. Sometimes people have shown up at the wrong location to vote, but I've never seen or heard about any true voter fraud. You must have been very lucky to see one of the handful of incidents that has ever occurred across the entire country.

What didn't I see happen, LOL. Where were you a poll watcher? Newton? Wellesley? You do realize that it's not in those places where it's occurring right? It's mostly an inner city issue. I've done it in several locations. Oxford, totally clean. SW Cutoff Worcester, same thing. Inner city Worcester, WHOLE different story. Everett, there were a few issues. HANDFUL of incidents? Unfortunately privacy laws and the set-up of some polling stations make it a very difficult thing to stop, but it's rampant.

[massnative71]

Originally Posted by MassVt

LePage is also fighting an increase in Medicaid enrollment, even though the state residents have already voted in favor of it, and Lepage has no right to stand in the way. Trying to deny health care coverage to your own residents is not a beneficial thing, but maybe it is in your stilted world view. He'll be gone soon, and maybe Maine will recover from the carnage.

I live in Maine, and there is no carnage. I mean we have our issues (your state certainly does as well), but LePage has left the state in a much better position than when he took over in 2010. Even some of his detractors admit to that. That you can dismiss all he has done good for the state, only proves that you rely on coverage that is not objective in the least. Either that, or you read what you want to read.

Originally Posted by MassVt

Stay in your Faux/Sinclair "news" world, where the anchors repeat the same story, verbatim, as if reading from a script ( and they actually were, not long ago).

LMAO! You really think you have me figured out do you? I don't watch Fox News! Too much Hannity for me (although I suppose if I had a gun pointed at my head I would switch it on over the Communist News Network or More Socialist Nonsense & Bull Crap). But I'm not shocked that I don't impress you. You being poster with very strong beliefs of your own that you make no secret of, and who often expresses disdain toward those who don't share in your dogma.


I am a lifelong Independent, and it's attitudes like yours from both sides that keep me that way. That you cannot rationally engage with a perspective that doesn't align with your narrow one-sided view, instead barraging it with your "Faux/Sinclair news world" (while failing to recognize the equal amount of BS coming from your own "side"); is everything that's wrong with modern political discourse in the country.

[chicagoliz]

Originally Posted by massnative71

What didn't I see happen, LOL. Where were you a poll watcher? Newton? Wellesley? You do realize that it's not in those places where it's occurring right? It's mostly an inner city issue. I've done it in several locations. Oxford, totally clean. SW Cutoff Worcester, same thing. Inner city Worcester, WHOLE different story. Everett, there were a few issues. HANDFUL of incidents? Unfortunately privacy laws and the set-up of some polling stations make it a very difficult thing to stop, but it's rampant.

I happened to be a poll watcher in Philadelphia. But in the inner cities, the problem is more one of people who are prevented from voting -- not from some imagined problem of people impersonating other voters. You still didn't describe anything you actually saw. You just stated that you couldn't see anything because of "privacy laws," but somehow you're certain it must have happened.

[massnative71]

Originally Posted by chicagoliz

I happened to be a poll watcher in Philadelphia. But in the inner cities, the problem is more one of people who are prevented from voting -- not from some imagined problem of people impersonating other voters. You still didn't describe anything you actually saw. You just stated that you couldn't see anything because of "privacy laws," but somehow you're certain it must have happened.

Here we go again...


Never did I say I couldn't see "anything". Some stuff is sort of circumstantial proof, ie. seeing an out of state "Community Organizer" you have seen 3 dozen times that day, walking in an individual whose conversation proves them to have significant cognitive impairment, back to the ADA voting booth where you can visually watch them directing him how to fill out the ballot, but the set-up is so that you cannot station yourself close enough to hear the conversation...it's a tough but all too frequent kind of scenario. Then there are those you see have to guess "their" address 5 times, and those who stroll through the front doors only to turn around once they saw me; and witnessing them being directed by other "organizers" to "just go over to the "xyz station" and vote under _____, they never give you trouble there". Of course when you report it, by the time anybody can get down to to follow up it's far too late and the damage has been done. We NEED Voter ID laws.



People prevented from (legally) voting? Do you have proof of this? Please no more "alleged by the ACLU" clownery...

[MassVt]

Originally Posted by massnative71

I live in Maine, and there is no carnage. I mean we have our issues (your state certainly does as well), but LePage has left the state in a much better position than when he took over in 2010. Even some of his detractors admit to that. That you can dismiss all he has done good for the state, only proves that you rely on coverage that is not objective in the least. Either that, or you read what you want to read.






LMAO! You really think you have me figured out do you? I don't watch Fox News! Too much Hannity for me (although I suppose if I had a gun pointed at my head I would switch it on over the Communist News Network or More Socialist Nonsense & Bull Crap). But I'm not shocked that I don't impress you. You being poster with very strong beliefs of your own that you make no secret of, and who often expresses disdain toward those who don't share in your dogma.


I am a lifelong Independent, and it's attitudes like yours from both sides that keep me that way. That you cannot rationally engage with a perspective that doesn't align with your narrow one-sided view, instead barraging it with your "Faux/Sinclair news world" (while failing to recognize the equal amount of BS coming from your own "side"); is everything that's wrong with modern political discourse in the country.

There is nothing "independent" about you. Your views are as narrow as narrow could possibly be. It's quite obvious that your presence at polling sites is to harass potential voters who, you suspect, might not share the same values as you. Thankfully, your attempts at voter suppression were not successful.

Always fun when a Libertarian/"Independent" type claims neutrality on an issue, when everyone else ( especially on these threads) knows exactly where he stands.

[timberline742]

Originally Posted by MassVt

There is nothing "independent" about you. Your views are as narrow as narrow could possibly be. It's quite obvious that your presence at polling sites is to harass potential voters who, you suspect, might not share the same values as you. Thankfully, your attempts at voter suppression were not successful.

Always fun when a Libertarian/"Independent" type claims neutrality on an issue, when everyone else ( especially on these threads) knows exactly where he stands.

It's the "lunatic fringe", call it what it is.

[rethcir]

Ladies, can you take the fighting over nonsense to a private convo?

[massnative71]

Originally Posted by MassVt

There is nothing "independent" about you. Your views are as narrow as narrow could possibly be. It's quite obvious that your presence at polling sites is to harass potential voters who, you suspect, might not share the same values as you. Thankfully, your attempts at voter suppression were not successful.

Always fun when a Libertarian/"Independent" type claims neutrality on an issue, when everyone else ( especially on these threads) knows exactly where he stands.

I fully understand that (under the Democratic Party rule book) preserving the integrity of elections="harassing potential voters" and that discouraging illegal voting="voter suppression".


Notice how I said "Democratic Party" and not liberals, because I understand there still are some liberal minded people out there who care that the law is abided by.

[timberline742]

Except, all the research has shown that voter fraud to be effectively non-existent. And voter suppression is about keeping legal voters from voting, which happens a great deal, as research indicates.

[massnative71]

Originally Posted by timberline742

Except, all the research has shown that voter fraud to be effectively non-existent. And voter suppression is about keeping legal voters from voting, which happens a great deal, as research indicates.

Enough to influence close elections. This is just a sampling. One to note is the Perth Amboy, NJ one. The election was overturned after at least 13 illegal votes were discovered after candidate won by 10 votes.


https://www.heritage.org/sites/defau...audCases_5.pdf


Again this is just a sampling, and remember most of the time voter fraud goes undetected.


What research is there on voter suppression? All I can find is stuff about voter ID laws, etc.