Mayor Walsh tapped for Labor Secretary (Boston, Adams: average, Polish, single)

[BostonBornMassMade]

Originally Posted by Boston Shudra

Yeah, Southie and Dorchester aren't necessarily representative of white Bostonians as a whole. I can at least confirm that my [white] relatives in Brighton are big Wu supporters. I wouldn't be surprised in Janey or Campbell got #2 in a lot of the western precincts over George (with Wu obviously #1 as Rozzie is her base).

You're right they're not I don't think George has enough viter-and the public polling agency agrees- they've got her down 48-28 to Wu. Which I think will end up being more like 63-37.

But they do represent a certain fraction of long time white Bostonians. Like you said I don really think voting was actively prejudice or anything like that. I merely said I think its something Kim Janeybreally had to deal with more than anyone else. Wu's a really good candidate, she’ll be a very good mayor- but George? That's a different sort of thing.

Even Marty who wasnt a great mayor was someone I met and know genuinely cared about and for the city and was a fair and reasonable dude. Annissa? she's coming in looking slimy and suspect from jump- so support for her just feels more reactionary/racial than it did for Marty who came in pretty clean. IMO she has no business running for mayor. I do think its no good she's in the final over Janey or Campbell.

However, her ideology does line up with those voters interest more despite her scuzziness....

[Mayei]

Originally Posted by BostonBornMassMade

Why? and So( (and no that's not true)? I haven't met them, I do know ALOT about Mass. more than I do some good friends of mine IRL.

I don't doubt your knowledge, but I think it's somewhat arrogant to presume an individual's reasoning while knowing next to nothing about them. Reveals perhaps some biases of your own.

[Lampert]

Originally Posted by BostonBornMassMade

You're right they're not I don't think George has enough viter-and the public polling agency agrees- they've got her down 48-28 to Wu. Which I think will end up being more like 63-37.

Yeah, I will be surprised if George cracks the 40%. I thinks that's possible only with a very low turnout.

[BostonBornMassMade]

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2021/09/...ment-125357872

" In the whitest precincts, 77 percent of voters backed Wu or Essaibi George."

"In the least white precincts, 69 percent of voters favored Campbell or Janey. "


Ferriabough Bolling, who supported Janey, noted that Campbell had relentlessly criticized the acting mayor’s leadership.

“You got the woman doing the job, another Black woman tagging her,” Ferriabough Bolling said. “And look at the results.”

^where my argument comes from

Boston has deep racial divisions and White voters in white areas weren't going for black candidates, even more so than the least white precincts (not the same as most black btw)

[Lampert]

Originally Posted by BostonBornMassMade

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2021/09/...ment-125357872

" In the whitest precincts, 77 percent of voters backed Wu or Essaibi George."

"In the least white precincts, 69 percent of voters favored Campbell or Janey. "


Ferriabough Bolling, who supported Janey, noted that Campbell had relentlessly criticized the acting mayor’s leadership.

“You got the woman doing the job, another Black woman tagging her,” Ferriabough Bolling said. “And look at the results.”

^where my argument comes from

Boston has deep racial divisions and White voters in white areas weren't going for black candidates, even more so than the least white precincts (not the same as most black btw)

Janey wasn't even 3rd technically. She was 4th, she should have dropped out of the race to give Campbell a better chance, why should have been the opposite? But no, of course according to Janey supporters is Campbell's fault.

Also, typical American political analysis by the globe. A third of the city is neither black nor white but the article doesn't mention latinos or asians once. Doesn't fit the narrative that white bostonians are racists? because they voted for an....asian lady and a half arab lady instead of a black candidate

It seems a lot of Janey supporters are blaming others (racists) for the poor result of their candidate but are failing to recognize that maybe, just maybe, their candidate just wasn't very good. It's the same kind of mentality of Trump supporters when they accuse Mexicans for America's problems.

PS the least white precincts aren't also the most black ones? So basically all that it means is that black voters tended to vote for black candidates more, but the article is worded to lead people to believe that only white voters voted for Wu and George while Latino and Asians didn't? But actually that's not true because if I remember correctly there was a poll showing Wu very much ahead with Asians and also ahead with latinos.

[id77]

I thought a little bit about the election last night, and while I don't doubt for a second some voters did vote on racial identity lines, the bigger issue with Janey/Campbell is their heavy overlap on issues that led to dilution. Had only one ran, the chances the other's base would have come around to them was much, much greater than theirs going to another. It reminds me of how Perot basically diluted Bush in '92 to pave the way for Clinton.

George stands the furthest apart from the others on the issues, which in a way is good but also means she's basically going to get crushed in November as Janey's and Campbell's bases both will likely go overwhelmingly to Wu.

[Lampert]

Originally Posted by id77

I thought a little bit about the election last night, and while I don't doubt for a second some voters did vote on racial identity lines, the bigger issue with Janey/Campbell is their heavy overlap on issues that led to dilution. Had only one ran, the chances the other's base would have come around to them was much, much greater than theirs going to another. It reminds me of how Perot basically diluted Bush in '92 to pave the way for Clinton.

George stands the furthest apart from the others on the issues, which in a way is good but also means she's basically going to get crushed in November as Janey's and Campbell's bases both will likely go overwhelmingly to Wu.

Many Campbell supporter had Wu as a second choice. Not Janey, according to some poll posted here a few days ago.
I am not sure Campbell overlapped more with Janey than with Wu.

[id77]

Originally Posted by Lampert

Many Campbell supporter had Wu as a second choice. Not Janey, according to some poll posted here a few days ago.
I am not sure Campbell overlapped more with Janey than with Wu.

All 3 of them are more overlapped than with George. Had any two of those three been the finalists, the results in November would be more even than with one of them versus George.

[Lampert]

Originally Posted by id77

All 3 of them are more overlapped than with George. Had any two of those three been the finalists, the results in November would be more even than with one of them versus George.

Oh, that's for sure.

[BostonBornMassMade]

https://apps.bostonglobe.com/metro/p...inary-results/

Precinct by precinct result. Kim Janey won about 95% of the plurality/majority-black precincts


You will also see few -if any- majority-white precincts went to Campbell Barros or Janey.

Lampert, this is why black people are upset. We firmly wanted Kim Janey. White Bostonians basically said, "no." The black candidate black people wanted "isn't good enough" for white Bostonians.