Police expecting a rough summer ahead, in the city. (Boston: high school, community college)

[msRB311]

Maybe prices will go down in southie now.

[bigfatdude]

Will things become fiery but mostly peaceful or will we be limited to the usual Canada Goose expropriation once well-earned manslaughter for failure to render aid is handed down but all the other kkkiller kkkop meme-inspired BS is tossed?

[Shrewsburried]

Originally Posted by bigfatdude

Will things become fiery but mostly peaceful or will we be limited to the usual Canada Goose expropriation once well-earned manslaughter for failure to render aid is handed down but all the other kkkiller kkkop meme-inspired BS is tossed?

Seems he earned a bit a more ...

No fires, but I'm doubtful the ACAB-memes will be going away anytime soon seeing as there's a seemingly endless supply of low-IQ altercations and cameras video taping them. I don't see the public laying off this trend until issues of qualified immunity and accountability are addressed.

[bostongymjunkie]

Yes, because there is reason and a deliberative logic based rationale behind mass rioting, property damage and looting.

[Shrewsburried]

Originally Posted by bostongymjunkie

Yes, because there is reason and a deliberative logic based rationale behind mass rioting, property damage and looting.

You're inferring a justification for rioting which isn't there.

Legitimate calls for reform can exist along side less legitimate mass rioting. Note: screaming ACAB isn’t an informed call for reform.

[bigfatdude]

Manslaughter was as clear as day but if the other two don’t get overturned on appeal that whole trial by jury thing might as well get scrapped. And I’m all with you on more accountability where it’s actually needed but getting rid of qualified immunity means every cop arresting a perp who refuses to go willingly will have Crump&Co grifter herd suing them for assault, which in turn means everyone starts resisting and no one gets arrested. I know the screeching purple-haired trustafarian acab brigade doesn’t think that many steps ahead but I highly doubt they’ll be too happy when they start getting relieved of their $1500 iPhones and Canada Goose jackets and occasionally their Subarus right in the middle of previously very safe Coolidge Corner and Davis Square because cops no longer arrest anyone.

Originally Posted by Shrewsburried

Seems he earned a bit a more ...

No fires, but I'm doubtful the ACAB-memes will be going away anytime soon seeing as there's a seemingly endless supply of low-IQ altercations and cameras video taping them. I don't see the public laying off this trend until issues of qualified immunity and accountability are addressed.

[id77]

Originally Posted by bigfatdude

Manslaughter was as clear as day but if the other two don’t get overturned on appeal that whole trial by jury thing might as well get scrapped. And I’m all with you on more accountability where it’s actually needed but getting rid of qualified immunity means every cop arresting a perp who refuses to go willingly will have Crump&Co grifter herd suing them for assault, which in turn means everyone starts resisting and no one gets arrested. I know the screeching purple-haired trustafarian acab brigade doesn’t think that many steps ahead but I highly doubt they’ll be too happy when they start getting relieved of their $1500 iPhones and Canada Goose jackets and occasionally their Subarus right in the middle of previously very safe Coolidge Corner and Davis Square because cops no longer arrest anyone.

If cops require qualified immunity to do their job, they suck at doing their job. If they quit because they don't have qualified immunity anymore, they've tipped their hand that the job wasn't about serving so much as kicking ass and feeling like a Neanderthal tough guy.

Emergency room nurses and doctors deal with many of the same violent actors, and they do it without shooting, tazing, or macing people. They don't complain like children when they can't rough up a kid because he 'looked' mean, and they don't have an overly-powerful union sweeping in to strong-arm hospitals into keeping bad apples on the payroll, even after having been found guilty of misconduct. I don't see them flying silly flags or trying to make other causes' plights about them by saying inane crap like "medical lives matter."

I do love the 3rd grade level thinking of take-our-ball-and-go-home as if the only thing keeping this country on the rails is the BAMF police officers that we should all be thanking daily for saving us. I love how it assumes the police today are doing anything about people who have their phones or jackets stolen (hint: they don't), and that the police keeping criminals fearful (hint: they aren't). What might happen, though, is that a black man can finally drive a BMW or Mercedes without getting pulled over weekly by white trash cops who just assume it must be stolen or that black men don't belong in such cars.

[massnative71]

Originally Posted by id77

If cops require qualified immunity to do their job, they suck at doing their job. If they quit because they don't have qualified immunity anymore, they've tipped their hand that the job wasn't about serving so much as kicking ass and feeling like a Neanderthal tough guy.

Emergency room nurses and doctors deal with many of the same violent actors, and they do it without shooting, tazing, or macing people. They don't complain like children when they can't rough up a kid because he 'looked' mean, and they don't have an overly-powerful union sweeping in to strong-arm hospitals into keeping bad apples on the payroll, even after having been found guilty of misconduct. I don't see them flying silly flags or trying to make other causes' plights about them by saying inane crap like "medical lives matter."

I do love the 3rd grade level thinking of take-our-ball-and-go-home as if the only thing keeping this country on the rails is the BAMF police officers that we should all be thanking daily for saving us. I love how it assumes the police today are doing anything about people who have their phones or jackets stolen (hint: they don't), and that the police keeping criminals fearful (hint: they aren't). What might happen, though, is that a black man can finally drive a BMW or Mercedes without getting pulled over weekly by white trash cops who just assume it must be stolen or that black men don't belong in such cars.

OK Maxine Waters.



But since you obviously know zero about policing, I'm gonna give you a little 101 intro class. The first part might be a little mind blowing for you, that is...SOMETIMES POLICE HAVE TO ARREST BAD GUYS.

[Shrewsburried]

Originally Posted by bigfatdude

Manslaughter was as clear as day but if the other two don’t get overturned on appeal that whole trial by jury thing might as well get scrapped. And I’m all with you on more accountability where it’s actually needed but getting rid of qualified immunity means every cop arresting a perp who refuses to go willingly will have Crump&Co grifter herd suing them for assault, which in turn means everyone starts resisting and no one gets arrested. I know the screeching purple-haired trustafarian acab brigade doesn’t think that many steps ahead but I highly doubt they’ll be too happy when they start getting relieved of their $1500 iPhones and Canada Goose jackets and occasionally their Subarus right in the middle of previously very safe Coolidge Corner and Davis Square because cops no longer arrest anyone.

The problem is qualified immunity in its current form has provided shielding for the bad actors, which ... as the public now knows ... are rarely held accountable. We’ve seen numerous examples of police blatantly violating laws/constitutional rights and thanks to a generous interpretation of qualified immunity they often get away with it.

I won’t pretend to know how to fix this issue, but one thing is certain ... there’s an appetite for a shift away from the current status quo. Is there a ton of hyperbole? Misleading coverage? Yes and it’s entirely unhelpful. This said, lower courts and even the SJC (Thomas) have begun to pushback on the scope of qualified immunity. Good.

[massnative71]

Originally Posted by Shrewsburried

The problem is qualified immunity in its current form has provided shielding for the bad actors, which ... as the public now knows ... are rarely held accountable. We’ve seen numerous examples of police blatantly violating laws/constitutional rights and thanks to a generous interpretation of qualified immunity they often get away with it.

Examples please?


Derek Chauvin violated department policy. He would not fall under qualified immunity.