"All-Inclusive Boston" campaiagn (dangerous, legally, approval)

[id77]

Originally Posted by lrfox

No, it really isn't the same at all. The problem with this attitude is that it assumes all factors are equal and that it's merely a difference of opinion and tastes. It's not. "Gay pride" came to exist as a way to empower a marginalized minority of the population that had long been discriminated against and forced to hide who they are or live fake lives. Less than 20 years ago, they couldn't get married. There's still debate over what the extent of discrimination against the LGBTQ community is allowable, and there's still an overwhelmingly large anti-gay segment of the population that would immediately wipe any progress the LGBTQ community has made off of the books if they were allowed to. But they're not allowed to because the LGBTQ community (and their allies) continue to openly push for equality.

"Straight pride," on the other hand, is a direct response from a bunch of snowflakes who are convinced they're some sort of "oppressed majority" and are victims of the "LGTBQ agenda." It's meant entirely as a function to minimize the LGBTQ community's efforts for equality and fight back against homosexuality which they feel is being "pushed" on everyone.

One's a group still pushing for equal treatment, the other is a group feigning to be victims in order to slow down or reverse that push. Not the same thing.

I'd go one further and say tolerating things like a straight pride parade is also empowering these groups by condoning their activity. The Paradox of Tolerance explains that this sort of activity must not be tolerated, let alone treated as an equal but differing opinion.

[massnative71]

Originally Posted by lrfox

No, it really isn't the same at all. The problem with this attitude is that it assumes all factors are equal and that it's merely a difference of opinion and tastes. It's not. "Gay pride" came to exist as a way to empower a marginalized minority of the population that had long been discriminated against and forced to hide who they are or live fake lives. Less than 20 years ago, they couldn't get married. There's still debate over what the extent of discrimination against the LGBTQ community is allowable, and there's still an overwhelmingly large anti-gay segment of the population that would immediately wipe any progress the LGBTQ community has made off of the books if they were allowed to. But they're not allowed to because the LGBTQ community (and their allies) continue to openly push for equality.

"Straight pride," on the other hand, is a direct response from a bunch of snowflakes who are convinced they're some sort of "oppressed majority" and are victims of the "LGTBQ agenda." It's meant entirely as a function to minimize the LGBTQ community's efforts for equality and fight back against homosexuality which they feel is being "pushed" on everyone.

One's a group still pushing for equal treatment, the other is a group feigning to be victims in order to slow down or reverse that push. Not the same thing.

They are the same in that they are both voices with a right to free speech, expression and freedom to assemble; all protected under the United States Constitution. That is the only thing that matters in this case.

[massnative71]

Originally Posted by id77

I'd go one further and say tolerating things like a straight pride parade is also empowering these groups by condoning their activity. The Paradox of Tolerance explains that this sort of activity must not be tolerated, let alone treated as an equal but differing opinion.

Whatever the Paradox of Tolerance is, sound like you are better schooled in that than the US Constitution. Either that, or this country is a poor fit for you. I suppose "thoughts" should be policed as well?

[lrfox]

Originally Posted by massnative71

They are the same in that they are both voices with a right to free speech, expression and freedom to assemble; all protected under the United States Constitution. That is the only thing that matters in this case.

I'm not debating the constitutionality of the event. I'm responding to a post that said "you getting upset over a straight pride parade is the same closed mindedness of someone being upset about a gay pride parade." It's not.

[BostonBornMassMade]

Massnative. The US Constitution is open to amendment and personal interpretation. You choose to look at it in an uncontextualized lens because it's easier for you to process. That's obvious.

Much easier to pretend the document is in stasis than actually wrestle with it's intent and the modern world in which it operates. It's like the ‘Consitituion for Dummies’. Youre resolving yourself of the responsibility to think critically and compassionately because that's your ethos and philosphy on matters of equality and oppressed groups. It's a choice that you make everyday.

The constitution protects that right but doesn't mean it's a positive or that the two sides are equivalent.

[BostonBornMassMade]

Also I don't even have to read his post or hknul google to understand what the paradox of tolerance is. It's like any other paradox. By being “tolerant” of one thing (SPP) your promoting intolerance of another thing...(homosexuality). But of course to understand this requires informed thinking, compassion, observation and most importantly- context.

[massnative71]

Originally Posted by BostonBornMassMade

Massnative. The US Constitution is open to amendment and personal interpretation. You choose to look at it in an uncontextualized lens because it's easier for you to process. That's obvious.

Much easier to pretend the document is in stasis than actually wrestle with it's intent and the modern world in which it operates. It's like the ‘Consitituion for Dummies’. Youre resolving yourself of the responsibility to think critically and compassionately because that's your ethos and philosphy on matters of equality and oppressed groups. It's a choice that you make everyday.

The constitution protects that right but doesn't mean it's a positive or that the two sides are equivalent.

Not sure where exactly you are going with this. If what you are trying to say is that these rights I noted are in any way obsolete, then run for political office (or use the democratic process) to amend them. If you feel they are misinterpreted, then take it up with the courts. I don't anticipate you will get very far with either.



The bolded part is once again irrelevant, as the debate is whether these people are within their guaranteed rights in partaking in this parade and what say the city has them doing so. Nothing at all to do with it being a positive or a negative, other than it has zero reflection on what Boston is as a city.

[massnative71]

Originally Posted by BostonBornMassMade

Also I don't even have to read his post or hknul google to understand what the paradox of tolerance is. It's like any other paradox. By being “tolerant” of one thing (SPP) your promoting intolerance of another thing...(homosexuality). But of course to understand this requires informed thinking, compassion, observation and most importantly- context.

You are still totally missing the boat. The city is not tolerating their "message", they are tolerating their right to free speech and assembling. What's so difficult to understand about this?

[id77]

Originally Posted by massnative71

Whatever the Paradox of Tolerance is, sound like you are better schooled in that than the US Constitution. Either that, or this country is a poor fit for you. I suppose "thoughts" should be policed as well?

Nobody said they don't have the right to spew hate (they do), but they shouldn't be ignored by others, either. Also protected is everyone else's right to show up and drown them out in counter-protest (which they also certainly have).

It's the idea that we should just ignore these trolls that's the problem. Left untreated, societal cancers can become terminal tumors.

[massnative71]

Originally Posted by id77

Also protected is everyone else's right to show up and drown them out in counter-protest (which they also certainly have).

What do you suppose their goal is?