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Old 09-24-2021, 08:06 AM
 
Location: RI, MA, VT, WI, IL, CA, IN (that one sucked), KY
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She considers herself Arab I thought ? Are Arabs people of color ? I've heard they consider themselves Caucasian.
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They can be either.

Caucasian doesn't mean what most people here think it means. Chechnya is in the Caucassus, for example.
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Old 09-24-2021, 08:16 AM
 
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I mean calling George a woman of color feels like a bit of stretch.
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Old 09-24-2021, 08:33 AM
 
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All the indigenous people of the Mediterranean are white including berbers . Plus Tunisia had greek/Lebanese whites there for 3000 years Roman's and Persian whites for many years
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Old 09-24-2021, 09:08 AM
 
Location: Boston
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So spending six figures on every single tenant just to get them to move out of the three unit shack you bought and want to replace with a larger structure, because you’re essentially forced to extend their lease indefinitely and cannot simply ask them to move out once the existing lease is up, has no effect on new construction? And not being able to raise rent at all because politburo says so has no effect on new construction? Are there any other infinite wisdoms of yours you would like to share?
What would be your solution to the problem? Lower density housing (triple-deckers and brownstones), as you already said, would only be replaced by luxury towers. You want examples of new construction? Have you looked at Seaport or Inkblock or Fenway/Longwood? TONS of new construction. Did it help housing costs? Nope. Heck, they've been building up around T stations too -- Alewife, Forest Hills, even in JP. Lots of new, denser mid-rises. Did those help housing costs? Nope.

How do you create housing affordable to the masses in a land area (be it SF or Boston) where the land values and demand are so high that there's a line of people happy to make 7 figure offers on housing?
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Old 09-24-2021, 10:10 AM
 
Location: Westwood, MA
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What would be your solution to the problem? Lower density housing (triple-deckers and brownstones), as you already said, would only be replaced by luxury towers. You want examples of new construction? Have you looked at Seaport or Inkblock or Fenway/Longwood? TONS of new construction. Did it help housing costs? Nope. Heck, they've been building up around T stations too -- Alewife, Forest Hills, even in JP. Lots of new, denser mid-rises. Did those help housing costs? Nope.

How do you create housing affordable to the masses in a land area (be it SF or Boston) where the land values and demand are so high that there's a line of people happy to make 7 figure offers on housing?
The only way to reliable create 'housing affordable to the masses' is to shift the supply curve to the right or the demand curve to the left. Even if you do manage to supply curve to the right, the demand curve is going crazy, so for prices to come down you have to outpace that huge shift.

You can always create non-market policies to pick a certain set of people and say "you can have this at below market price", but it's always just a certain set of people. Politically, it is almost always, "the people that are there right now", although it often also extends to politically connected groups and individuals.
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Old 09-24-2021, 10:27 AM
 
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Could it be that only seaport and ink block towers are profitable and developers would lose money on smaller projects in less glamorous parts of the city like Hyde Park and Mattapan, where construction costs far exceed what prospective buyers are willing to pay? Guess what will happen if we make new construction even more expensive for developers?

Also believe it or not all those luxury towers did help - high earners who want to live in Boston are living there instead of gentrifying you out of your triple decker. If it wasn't for all those ink blocks and seaports all of Boston would be very white and very, very expensive.

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What would be your solution to the problem? Lower density housing (triple-deckers and brownstones), as you already said, would only be replaced by luxury towers. You want examples of new construction? Have you looked at Seaport or Inkblock or Fenway/Longwood? TONS of new construction. Did it help housing costs? Nope. Heck, they've been building up around T stations too -- Alewife, Forest Hills, even in JP. Lots of new, denser mid-rises. Did those help housing costs? Nope.

How do you create housing affordable to the masses in a land area (be it SF or Boston) where the land values and demand are so high that there's a line of people happy to make 7 figure offers on housing?
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Old 09-24-2021, 10:38 AM
 
Location: Baltimore
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per the US Census North Africans are white. AEG is white
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Old 09-24-2021, 10:40 AM
 
Location: Baltimore
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Two things

1) many more 90%+ black than 90%+ white areas

2)Janey was Roxbury’s councilor, people vote for their councilor
Naw... maybe in 2000 there were many 90% black areas, not anymore.

Also Janey was already mayor. And 61% of Bostonians liked how she was doing, so if she got 60% of the black vote that makes since.
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Old 09-24-2021, 10:42 AM
 
Location: Baltimore
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Essaibi-George to me can pass off as a White person but she has routinely touted the fact that she is half Tunisian and does not consider herself fully White, at least not of full European descent. I think people voted for her on account of her policies, not by her looks.
shes white and voters know it.
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Old 09-24-2021, 10:43 AM
 
Location: Boston
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Could it be that only seaport and ink block towers are profitable and developers would lose money on smaller projects in less glamorous parts of the city like Hyde Park and Mattapan, where construction costs far exceed what prospective buyers are willing to pay? Guess what will happen if we make new construction even more expensive for developers?

Also believe it or not all those luxury towers did help - high earners who want to live in Boston are living there instead of gentrifying you out of your triple decker. If it wasn't for all those ink blocks and seaports all of Boston would be very white and very, very expensive.
Of course it's profitable and that's why they did that. Nobody's doubting that for a hot second.

Is your proposed solution to hold a gun to developers' heads and make them develop in places like Hyde Park and Mattapan then? They built some new housing out at South Bay/Dorchester too -- hardly a glamorous part of town. Unless $3k/month for a 500 square foot studio is affordable though, it didn't do much.

Build more? Turn every last brownstone into mid and high rise towers? That kill demand to live here in the process. You'd have lots of mostly-empty towers.

So, again, I ask: what would your solution be? If you were the Head Honcho of Beantown, what would you do to create affordable housing in the next 10 years in Boston?
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