Committee to keep Dorchester sh*tty (Boston: theatre, new construction, school)

[Space_League]

Originally Posted by massnative71

Just like with Southie, those Orange Line stops are on the outer fringe of JP. Only difference is, it's considerably further from downtown than Broadway and Andrew. And yes, my point WAS that those areas of Southie were slow to gentrify because they are/were sketchy. Not because of the T access, which happened to be quite adequate. Just like East Broadway, Jamaica Pond is nowhere near any subway stop. Jackson Square is still the ghetto, as is Andrew Square.


Huh???

Well I'm not counting Moss Hill because it never had to gentrify. It was always a nice area and not T accessible. Other than that the best parts of JP is like Eliot Street area. That's about a half mile from green street same with Pond St and Centre. It's all pedestrian friendly city streets too, moreso than the areas around Andrew and Broadway which have major multi-way intersections and heavy auto traffic.

Medal of Honor Park is a mile and a half to the nearest T stop and it's not even all the way out there. The nice parts of city Point are like 3x as far from the T as the nice parts of JP

[bostongymjunkie]

It should be noted that JP has increased subway service only since 1987 and at the great expense of Roxbury when the old El was dismantled. Prior to that it was only Egleston and Green before terminating at Forest Hills.

[BostonBornMassMade]

Originally Posted by bostongymjunkie

It should be noted that JP has increased subway service only since 1987 and at the great expense of Roxbury when the old El was dismantled. Prior to that it was only Egleston and Green before terminating at Forest Hills.

Yep, guarantee that was a major he gentrification factor just like the redline extension north was for Somerville. They’re talking extending the silver line to Everett. anyone notice majority POC residential neighborhoods (Roxbury, Chelsea, Everett) get promised busses whereas white communities get GLX, and redline extensions? Anyone?

There are choices made by the big wigs everyday to not gentrify Bostons Black areas.

[bostongymjunkie]

That's been known for years. The promise was to build a light rail where the Silver line is and that went nowhere fast. I have no doubt there was probably some bias in past years. But again, squeaky wheels get the grease. Communities that actively participate in the political process get more attention. Roxbury has had plenty of political players and organizations who have worked to change this, but if the community at large isn't participating much it's a tough torch for any one or few individuals to carry. If you look at the most politically active neighborhoods in the city they all fare much better than those that are not. That said, historically in years past the South End progressives were notorious for not showing up at the polls and they seemed to do okay. Not great, but okay. So there must have been something else going on. I think their very active community groups played a part.

JP has quite a bit of natural resources that have made it attractive and it was attracting hippie and bohemian types going waaaaaay back before the Orange Line. Many of those boomers are now millionaires with their pond side properties. Somerville was also attracting the same types, albeit a couple generations younger, since early to mid 2000's long before the Green line extension. So I'm not convinced those transit lines had much to do with gentrification there. Although I think the Orange line certainly helped in more recent years.

[WestieWhitie]

Originally Posted by bostongymjunkie

That's been known for years. The promise was to build a light rail where the Silver line is and that went nowhere fast. I have no doubt there was probably some bias in past years. But again, squeaky wheels get the grease. Communities that actively participate in the political process get more attention. Roxbury has had plenty of political players and organizations who have worked to change this, but if the community at large isn't participating much it's a tough torch for any one or few individuals to carry. If you look at the most politically active neighborhoods in the city they all fare much better than those that are not. That said, historically in years past the South End progressives were notorious for not showing up at the polls and they seemed to do okay. Not great, but okay. So there must have been something else going on. I think their very active community groups played a part.

JP has quite a bit of natural resources that have made it attractive and it was attracting hippie and bohemian types going waaaaaay back before the Orange Line. Many of those boomers are now millionaires with their pond side properties. Somerville was also attracting the same types, albeit a couple generations younger, since early to mid 2000's long before the Green line extension. So I'm not convinced those transit lines had much to do with gentrification there. Although I think the Orange line certainly helped in more recent years.

Let’s be honest, majority of the political process participants in those communities are MCG/chuckie/stuffy bra-type grifters who are mostly interested in stuffing their pockets, not improving their communities. That’s why they are where they are despite receiving what amounts to trillions at this point.

[Space_League]

Originally Posted by bostongymjunkie

It should be noted that JP has increased subway service only since 1987 and at the great expense of Roxbury when the old El was dismantled. Prior to that it was only Egleston and Green before terminating at Forest Hills.

No kidding Roxbury and Everett got screwed by that. Stony Brook is a half mile from where Egleston station was so that's not too bad but not great. Dudley got robbed . Makes a lot of sense how Mission Hill has improved so much since the 80s, in part because they got a bunch of orange line stations servicing them.Basically the parts of Roxbury that are nice today are the ones that got lines MissionHill/ Ft Hill and Lower Rox is worse off because they lost their stops.

Where the Northhampton stop was still didn't look or feel that great when I lived near there like 10 years ago . That stretch of Washington from there down to Melnea Cass looked grand and stately but faded kinda depressing vibe from many empty storefronts and boarded buildings. I never knew there had been a station at that intersection. Makes sense now

[bostongymjunkie]

Originally Posted by WestieWhitie

Let’s be honest, majority of the political process participants in those communities are MCG/chuckie/stuffy bra-type grifters who are mostly interested in stuffing their pockets, not improving their communities. That’s why they are where they are despite receiving what amounts to trillions at this point.

Not all. There have been non-profit organizations and many people who have worked behind the scenes on these transit issues, as well as other problems. They can't carry it all.

[WestieWhitie]

Originally Posted by bostongymjunkie

Not all. There have been non-profit organizations and many people who have worked behind the scenes on these transit issues, as well as other problems. They can't carry it all.

Sure but they're in a minority, no pun intended. Most of the equitable equity-type nonprofits are only there to ensure that some end up being a lot more equitable than others. Millions of dollars for me, a bunch of empty slogans to parrot for thee!

[BostonBornMassMade]

Waiting for liquor license reform in Boston
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2022/04/...reform-boston/

“The ability to serve cocktails is key to most restaurants’ profitability, so the practical effect of limiting the number of licenses has been to limit the number of restaurants in the city.

That shortage has real consequences, depriving entrepreneurs of opportunities and neighborhoods of the vitality that can come from a corner watering hole or bustling bistro. And it’s the poorer neighborhoods of the city that suffer the most, since license-holders tend to migrate to parts of the city where they can maximize their profits. Out of the roughly 1,400 liquor licenses in the city, only 10 are in Mattapan, and just two of those are active restaurant liquor licenses. As Brian Worrell, the neighborhood’s city councilor, notes, “There are just six restaurants on Blue Hill Avenue with liquor licenses.”

“Reforming liquor license law isn’t ultimately about booze. It’s about economic opportunity. Reform would offer neighborhoods like Mattapan — where 90 percent [ actually its 95 percent] of residents identify as people of color — the chance to create a vibrant and thriving restaurant scene that produces local jobs, local revenue, and the kind of community institutions that residents of the South End or downtown take for granted.“


As people have said for decades. You will never ever have actual gentrification of BHA without restaurants. There’s no breweries, no theatres, no labs, no train station, no schools, nothing of recreational interest or socialization outlets on Blue Hill Avenue. If you could attract people from outside the neighborhood and they fell in love with a club, or live music venue, or nice restaurant then they could fancy themselves living there. But right now it just a place to speed through if I-93 S is clogged.

Realistically- more people are going to avoid frequenting BHA with the removal of parking spots and slower commute times. But it will be healthier, safer for pedestrians,and maybe faster for bus riders.

Right now subsidized housing, liquor stores, chiropractors, dollar stores, laundromats vacant lots, and West Indian takeout. So while homes are going to investors for 2M currently no one wants to live there.if homes became 3M is that going to change the populace or vibe? No. Not without real changes to laws and culture. I’ll just keep saying it- choices are made every day to keep certain parts of Boston relatively less desirable. Whit that state imposed cap you would likely see arts culture and social scene flourish on Blue Hill Ave and then gentrification could start. But it hasn’t even started. It’s just expensive and has been for a while now with no gains.

I know Westie Whitie wishes for gentrification because she dislikes black people but it’s not gonna happen that easy because you can’t simultaneously artificially keep a place boring and unattractive and expect people to come with no prospects whatsoever of being able to change the culture/social scene at some point.

[bostongymjunkie]

Nowadays, increasing desirability means all the natives and non-subsidized lower income people are out. Be careful what you wish for. And what neighborhoods do you think those in the service industries live?