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Old 12-04-2013, 06:46 AM
 
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Manny needs Floyd far more than Floyd needs Manny.
BS. Total BS. It's just not true.
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Old 12-04-2013, 07:15 AM
 
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Yes, it's absolutely true.
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Old 12-04-2013, 04:38 PM
 
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More of your same tired rhetoric. If Cotto was shot against Mayweather, he was shot against Pacquiao. Cotto was in a 'good fight' that he lost 117-111, 117-111 and 118-110...



Poor attempt at revisionism. The fact (I know you don't like those) of the matter is that it was a legal, knockout win. "Protect yourselves at all times", Ortiz didn't, he got knocked out. End of story.



Rios the B-rated one dimensional fighter who went the distance? Oh wait, never mind.



They were more faded when Manny fought them. Mosley knocked Manny down and de la Hoya was weight drained to the point that he looked like he should've been on The Walking Dead instead of in a boxing ring. Of course, NOBODY was saying Mosley was faded coming off of knockout wins over Mayorga and Margarito, nice attempt at revisionism again though.



FTFY.



While you apparently are an authority on BS, how the hell do you know how close they are or aren't? Who cares about Adrien Broner anyway? I'd say there's a better than average chance that he gets handled by Maidana which would make him irrelevant for the time being.



It wouldn't surprise me if he winds up squaring off against Danny Garcia. It's obvious that Showtime is trying to set that up for down the road. If and when that fight gets made, the funny thing will be to see Coolhand suddenly switch gears and try to make Garcia out to be bum . Let's not forget that Sergio called Pacquiao out and offered to come down to 150. Manny, of course, pased. Why don't you EVER call your boy out for that?



Didn't Brandon Rios just have to come up in weight? Yeah, thought so.



It doesn't even how many losses Baldomir had at the time, he was a legitimate champion holding the WBC and Ring magazine welterweight titles. Mosley didn't want to fight in November 2006, he wanted to go on vacation. It's also interesting that after Mayweather beat him, that Mosley wanted to fight Baldomir, but HBO wouldn't buy that fight.



Irrelevant or not. The fact remains the same: Manny needs Floyd far more than Floyd needs Manny.
Since we're talking about Floyd's so called legacy, the question still remains unanswered...if Floyd and his fans think Manny is such an easy win, then why take such extreme measures to avoid him? Fake retirement, steroid accusations, outrageous purse splits...all actions of a fighter who doesn't want to fight.

Meanwhile Floyd accused Manny of beating his leftovers and demanding catch weights...while he himself has been doing the same thing.

Manny doesn't need Floyd, his legacy is sealed. He can still make truck loads of money in his next few fights, with or without Floyd. Fighting two fits per year, one in the U.S. and one in Asia he will keep more of his earnings. Manny's next fight will sell over a million PPVs and if he wins he has just as much leverage as Floyd. Who are Floyd's opponents going to be? Alexander? Khan? Malignaggi? Yawn. Boxing historians will not look back on him favorably decades from now. He will always be known as the guy who hand picked opponents and bored fans to tears. The won't be any Mayweather "Greatest Moments" DVDs being sold any time soon. Unless they're being sold alongside the NyQuil and Lunesta.
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Old 12-04-2013, 05:32 PM
 
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Since we're talking about Floyd's so called legacy, the question still remains unanswered...
Didn't know that we were, but regardless, Floyd's legacy is sealed. He'll easily be a first ballot hall of fame inductee.

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Manny doesn't need Floyd, his legacy is sealed. He can still make truck loads of money in his next few fights, with or without Floyd. Fighting two fits per year, one in the U.S. and one in Asia he will keep more of his earnings. Manny's next fight will sell over a million PPVs and if he wins he has just as much leverage as Floyd.
Keep telling yourself that fantasy...

Manny Pacquiao vs Brandon Rios PPV buys: Disastrous
Manny Pacquiao News: PPV Buys Disappoint In Fight With Brandon Rios
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Who are Floyd's opponents going to be? Alexander? Khan? Malignaggi?
Who are Manny's??? JMM supposedly is done with him after his decisive victory last time out. Bradley *could* be interesting ONLY due to the controversy of how their last fight was scored. Provodnikov could be compelling because of his style, but Freddie Roach doesn't want to see it happen and Provodnikov himself apparently has no interest.

Provodnikov: No Interest In Pacquiao, Maybe Rios at 147 - Boxing News
Provodnikov declines Pacquiao fight | ABS-CBN News

So what else does he have?


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Boxing historians will not look back on him favorably decades from now. He will always be known as the guy who hand picked opponents and bored fans to tears.
And as the guy that sold more PPVs than any of his contemporaries. Don't forget that FACT.
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Old 12-04-2013, 05:35 PM
 
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Since we're talking about Floyd's so called legacy, the question still remains unanswered...if Floyd and his fans think Manny is such an easy win, then why take such extreme measures to avoid him? Fake retirement, steroid accusations, outrageous purse splits...all actions of a fighter who doesn't want to fight.
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Exactly. And Evan can't and won't answer that part of the whole issue.
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Old 12-04-2013, 07:04 PM
 
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Can and have. Coolhand and I have already been down this road dozens of times.
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Old 12-06-2013, 09:28 PM
 
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Didn't know that we were, but regardless, Floyd's legacy is sealed. He'll easily be a first ballot hall of fame inductee.



Keep telling yourself that fantasy...

Manny Pacquiao vs Brandon Rios PPV buys: Disastrous
Manny Pacquiao News: PPV Buys Disappoint In Fight With Brandon Rios
Ouch...




Who are Manny's??? JMM supposedly is done with him after his decisive victory last time out. Bradley *could* be interesting ONLY due to the controversy of how their last fight was scored. Provodnikov could be compelling because of his style, but Freddie Roach doesn't want to see it happen and Provodnikov himself apparently has no interest.

Provodnikov: No Interest In Pacquiao, Maybe Rios at 147 - Boxing News
Provodnikov declines Pacquiao fight | ABS-CBN News

So what else does he have?




And as the guy that sold more PPVs than any of his contemporaries. Don't forget that FACT.
So you only see PPV numbers as scales to measure greatness. Using your logic Joe Flacco must be the greatest QB in the NFL. Manny's last fight didn't sell as much but he gets to keep more of his money fighting overseas. He may have lost sales fighting in China but he was able to keep more of his money. His next bout will do well over a million buys. If Marquez grows a set and grants him a rematch it will sell more than their last bout that did 1.5 million sales. Floyd's last fight sold so well because Alvarez was just as big a draw. His match with Guererro didn't do nearly as well.

Bradley is still undefeated and a rematch with Manny is very much in demand. Why is Floyd fighting Khan when Danny Garcia already KO'd his ass? Floyd should be fighting Garcia, Martinez, or even Bradley before he gives Khan a shot. What has Khan done to deserve a title shot? Another easy kill for Floyd the savvy business man. Again, more flash than substance. Khan will lose power and speed moving up in weight and his jaw is made of glass. Good to see Floyd taking on the "best" available opponent.
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Old 12-06-2013, 09:34 PM
 
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Exactly. And Evan can't and won't answer that part of the whole issue.
His answer to every question is PPV sales. Oh, he's added Mannys KO loss to his repertoire of excuses. Of course he is ok with Floyd fighting Khan who was KO'd by Garcia and hasn't fought anyone noteworthy to earn a shot at his title. Floyd and fellow coward Broner have agreed not to fight one another so they have built in excuses for avoiding one another.
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Old 12-07-2013, 02:08 PM
 
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So you only see PPV numbers as scales to measure greatness.
Did I say that? Use the weak straw men on somebody that doesn't know any better.

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Using your logic Joe Flacco must be the greatest QB in the NFL.
Yet another one of your ridiculous assertions and a seriously faulty attempt at correlation.

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Manny's last fight didn't sell as much but he gets to keep more of his money fighting overseas. He may have lost sales fighting in China but he was able to keep more of his money.
Really? What exactly were the numbers? How much more money was he able to keep?

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His next bout will do well over a million buys.
Oh, you have a crystal ball now? So since you apparently want to play at being a soothsayer, go ahead and put it on the record: Who will Manny fight next?

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If Marquez grows a set and grants him a rematch it will sell more than their last bout that did 1.5 million sales.
Marquez seems content with his KO victory over Pacquaio. Bob Arum claims JMM is set financially and he seems to have moved on. There were so many rematches previously because the results were controversial and disputed. The last fight ended decisively and as such Marquez has indicated that he sees no reason for yet another rematch. Like it or not, there's logic to his reasoning. Even though he would like to make the fight, Arum himself has even questioned how Marquez can do any better in a rematch than what he's already done.

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Floyd's last fight sold so well because Alvarez was just as big a draw.
Excuses, excuses. It sold very well. Period.

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His match with Guererro didn't do nearly as well.
And yet it did significantly better than Pacquiao-Rios. The Cotto and Ortiz matches also did good business. I'm sure there's also an excuse for that though.

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Bradley is still undefeated and a rematch with Manny is very much in demand.
Then it should be an easy fight to make, right? Let's see if it actually materializes...

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Why is Floyd fighting Khan when Danny Garcia already KO'd his ass? Floyd should be fighting Garcia, Martinez, or even Bradley before he gives Khan a shot. What has Khan done to deserve a title shot? Another easy kill for Floyd the savvy business man. Again, more flash than substance. Khan will lose power and speed moving up in weight and his jaw is made of glass. Good to see Floyd taking on the "best" available opponent.
I'm not aware of any official announcement of a Mayweather-Khan fight...But, for the sake of argument that'd be just like how Rios lost power and speed moving up in weight, right? Hell, why isn't Manny fighting Martinez? They both are on HBO so in theory that'd be an easier fight to get made.
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Old 12-07-2013, 02:21 PM
 
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His answer to every question is PPV sales. Oh, he's added Mannys KO loss to his repertoire of excuses.
Sorry, excuses are your specialty.

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Of course he is ok with Floyd fighting Khan who was KO'd by Garcia and hasn't fought anyone noteworthy to earn a shot at his title.
Not that I know of any such fight being made, please quote where I've made any such statement about being ok with Khan. In fact, if you were to search my most recent posts about Khan, they would indicate just the opposite. Thus, speak for yourself and don't attempt to put words in my mouth. It just makes you look foolish.

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Floyd and fellow coward Broner have agreed not to fight one another so they have built in excuses for avoiding one another.
It's funny that you question who Khan has fought, but lately have taken to trying to pump up Adrien Broner. I have to ask, who the hell has Broner fought that has you suddenly kissing his keister so fervently?
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