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Old 10-18-2008, 11:55 PM
 
Location: SoCal - Sherman Oaks & Woodland Hills
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i was watching a live stream of the fight.

and i must say, b-hop is truly a boxing legend, beat a younger boxer, even at such an out of prime age of 43 years old.

the winner of calzaghe-jones faces hopkins...who you guys think it will win?
Calzaghe will KO Jones. If he decides to box Hopkins again, I think Hopkins will beat him.
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Old 10-19-2008, 12:28 AM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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What in the world are you talking about? Their second fight was at a catch weight of 166 - six pounds heavier than their first fight.
My mistake. I read that wrong. They were heavier. Taylor still looked weaker. What the hell is your analysis of that fight, Tennessee? I see that you didn't have a clue about this one.

Nevertheless man, give me some props for my analysis of this fight for God's sake!
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Old 10-19-2008, 12:33 AM
 
Location: Nevada
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Default Great call

You called it! Great boxing eye you have!! I loved it how Bernard smiled when Pavlik landed on his chin.






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This one is hard to call. One one hand, we have Hopkins. He's 43, well-conditioned in terms of being strong, but ever-conscious of conserving his energy because he doesn't have the reserves or the stamina for sustained action over a long fight. He's crafty, but not as versatile as he used to be. He may see openings but no longer able to take advantage. He relies on his opponent giving him opportunities to rest during rounds. He can outbox, outwait anyone, who allows him to get his breather when he needs it. Calzaghe didn't let this happen and won that fight, with Hopkins pretending he had been hit below the belt in order to get a breather. It was the first time I saw his limitations, stamina-wise. I think Hopkins underestimated Calzaghe, probably the first time he's ever underestimated a fighter think that no white fighter could beat him.

Pavilik looks like the ultimate overachiever. Tall with big feet, he looks like a big, rangy fighter. Good power, but he's not capable of taking you out with one shot. He beat Miranda who has respectable power, but was physically smaller, and has trouble with his stamina. He beat Taylor twice. The first fight, Taylor tagged him pretty good and knocked him down. He got up, adjusted, and pressed the action, wearing Taylor down. Taylor stamina also suspect and Pavlik outlasted him. In second fight, he and Taylor came in 5 pounds lighter than their first fight, and making this weight took much out of Taylor who looked thin and weak. Result? Pavlik too strong and Taylor (stamina already suspect) was beaten up to a 7th round stoppage.

I think Pavlik has the edge in stamina here. Hopkins will be looking for that breather during each round, but he's not going to get it. Pavlik is very willing to takes shots to get in his own and he will press Bernard. I also don't think Bernard has one-shot knockout power either, and it would take this to gain Pavlik's respect.

But this is at 170, not 160. This is Hopkins best weight. He beat a smaller Winky Wright at this weight... in NJ, near Hopkins home. Winky is a better defensive fighter than Pavlik, but doesn't have Pavlik's power. he beat a naturally bigger Tarver at 174. This fight also in NJ...where Pavlik knocked out Taylor. Pavlik has to come up in weight, to fight Hopkins who is probably a natural 170 lb fighter. Question is what will the added weight do for Pavlik? Give him more power? Make him slower? Reduce his stamina? Hard to tell. He has looked good against a depleted Taylor and a smaller Miranda and a bunch of overmatched no-names.

Edge to Hopkins because of the intangibles. He's at his best weight, fighting near his home, and fighting someone who fights like Tarver.
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Old 10-19-2008, 08:57 AM
 
Location: SoCal - Sherman Oaks & Woodland Hills
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That fight was the equivalent of Michael Jordan playing one on one basketball against a 5' 2" 12 year old.

He just laid the game plan for every other boxer out there to be able to beat Pavlik. Pavlik's weaknesses were terribly exposed. He really needs to get with a Manny Steward, Mayweather or Buddy McGirt. He's young and should be able to get better providing that he gets a better trainer.

Hopkins is the MAN.
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Old 10-19-2008, 09:12 AM
 
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oh mang

is the fight on youtube?
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Old 10-19-2008, 05:22 PM
 
Location: South FL
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oh mang

is the fight on youtube?
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download it, it's on high quality .
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Old 10-21-2008, 07:14 AM
 
Location: Galewood
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Seems like the homie Pavlik got his ass beat
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Old 10-21-2008, 07:54 PM
 
Location: South FL
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Calzaghe will KO Jones. If he decides to box Hopkins again, I think Hopkins will beat him.
Ok, you're being delusional right now.
Every boxing fan knows that calSLAPPY has no punching power.
he CAN beat roy but not by a KO.
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Old 10-21-2008, 07:56 PM
 
Location: South FL
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Seems like the homie Pavlik got his ass beat
Pavlik got schooled & outclassed.
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Old 10-22-2008, 03:17 PM
 
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Ok, you're being delusional right now.
Every boxing fan knows that calSLAPPY has no punching power.
he CAN beat roy but not by a KO.
Great name for him. I've never seen a fighter at that level slap the way he does. He would be much better if he ever punched someone.
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