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Old 05-27-2009, 06:52 PM
 
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I am a teacher and Moved to Montana in December. I have a masters degree in curriculum and instruction, a BS in elementary education with middle school endorsement and am a reading specialist. I am a published author in my field and have an impressive resume, having graduated in the top 3% of Texas Christian University. Not even I can find a teaching job. Teachers sub in districts for YEARS before an opening comes available. Most every job around Great Falls is for in-district tranfer or a coaching position. The best source after you check the websites for big towns is going to the website for the office of public instruction www.opi.mt.gov (I think). They have listings for rural schools. Beware the pay though. Some districts pay as little as 22,000/year with little or no benefits.
Wow. Thanks for the honesty. Do you have some insight on why this is? Is it simply a matter of too many teachers wanting too few of jobs or is there anything you can elaborate on as to the cause? Any more info you could share would be appreciated.
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Old 05-27-2009, 07:37 PM
 
Location: NW Montana
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I would say it is the poorly funded school system in Montana. Rural schools (especially in the eastern part of the state) just don't have the means to offer more.
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Old 05-27-2009, 09:42 PM
 
Location: Brendansport, Sagitta IV
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Wow. Thanks for the honesty. Do you have some insight on why this is? Is it simply a matter of too many teachers wanting too few of jobs or is there anything you can elaborate on as to the cause? Any more info you could share would be appreciated.
Some of it may be the old problem of being overqualified -- a common assumption is that you'll want to be placed and/or paid commeasurate with your qualifications, which can lock an experienced or very highly qualified person out of entry-level positions.

TPlacement: METNET has 25 PAGES of openings, mostly in small towns and the more-remote parts of MT. In particular, small/remote towns seem to be hurting for upper-level math teachers. Starting salaries seem to be in the range of $2000 to $3000 per month.

I used "history" as a search term on that page and got four hits. Here's a couple detailed listings picked at random: Middle or Elem school Social Studies, MT History, and Science- Conrad, MT
and
SS03 - History - Troy, MT

As to the problem of people having to sub for years before there's an opening -- well, stability is good for the kids; even tho tenure can be a problem, teacher-churn isn't good either. And if the subs I remember are any indication, they would have been a downgrade from the excellent teachers that were our regular staff at Great Falls schools! Maybe they were just trying too hard -- but we were always relieved when our regular teachers came back!

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Old 05-27-2009, 11:17 PM
 
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I have a couple of opinions to share. For one, if you want to get your teaching certifications by attending a Montana school you might be better off going to MSU-Billings than MSU in Bozeman. I went to MSU-B and they have a great education program. Cost of living in Billings is much less than in Bozeman if you are concerned about the still high cost of housing in Bozeman. Billings has a large # of elem. schools, 4 junior highs and 3 high schools (not counting the Catholic and Christian schools). So the opportunities to get a job are somewhat better there. If you student teach in a school and do a great job the schools seem to be good about hiring from that pool should there be an opening.

Next, my nephew graduated from MSU in education (science) and has not had any luck finding a job. He didn't even try the first couple of years out of school, though, as he was offered a job at a restaurant as a manager and his salary was MUCH higher than what he would make teaching. Now he wants to get into his field and there just isn't anything available.

I taught in Montana (Billings area) until this school year when we moved back to Wyoming, where I grew up. The main reason for the move is because we just couldn't live on the salaries we were making there. My paycheck literally doubled in Wyoming. This was due to the much higher salary as well as there being no state income tax here. I won't start to describe the differences I notice between the two states' education systems. It's like night and day. One thing, though, I can say for Montana, is that OPI has really gone the extra mile as far as Indian Education goes. I was an Indian Ed. for All trainer for the first 2 years the program was implemented and teachers do learn a lot about the culture, etc. However, my experience teaching on the reservations has not been good. It's a whole different world. It is true that the students there need good teachers who really want to make a difference. You would have to go with the attitude that you WILL make a difference and stick to it for the long haul as it isn't an easy stint.

I appreciate your dream to teach. Good teachers are needed everywhere. If this is your passion, then go for it! Just be sure that you choose the place that is right for you! Best wishes to you both in your venture.
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Old 05-29-2009, 12:05 PM
 
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Teacher's retirement and pensions have lost value just like other professions. There were 3 retirements in all of Great Falls this year, and we have 2 LARGE high schools, 2 LARGE middle schools and a ton of elementaries. Classroom size is being managed by hiring more paraprofessionals instead of adding the needed teachers. No one is retiring because they can't afford to pay thier health insurance and live for 20+ more years on the small amount they have. Right now I'm working for the state, but I still search the website for a teaching job. Good luck.. Don't give up.. Things may be DRASTICALLY different in Bozeman.
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Old 06-04-2009, 05:47 PM
 
Location: in area code 919 & from 716
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hey Bozeman people are there still the 2 McDonalds?

If so - does the same guy who owned the two in 1990 still own them?
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Old 06-12-2009, 06:18 PM
 
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If you are teaching in Bozeman or anywhere else in Montana you will need to have a bundle saved up. Wages in Montana for teachers are at the very bottom of the barrel. Wyoming has much better pay.

Also, the stint for teaching an a reservation is five years and it will only forgive your Perkins or Stafford loans, I forget which one.
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