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Old 11-16-2012, 07:25 AM
 
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Separation from the ego results in removal of desires.
Also enabling the ability for enlightenment.
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Old 11-16-2012, 07:29 AM
 
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Also enabling the ability for enlightenment.
It is a bit of a paradox as to truly satisfy the ego through enlightenment, one must detach from the ego and not have the desire.

I think that was one of the attractions I had for Zen in my younger years.
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Old 11-16-2012, 07:59 AM
 
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....to truly satisfy the ego through enlightenment, one must detach from the ego and not have the desire.

I think that was one of the attractions I had for Zen in my younger years.
I may be wrong about this, but the state of enlightenment does not entail the ego as we think of it in terms of being the traditional ego. There is the absence of, if I am remembering correctly.

I share your sentiments about Zen.
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Old 11-16-2012, 08:33 AM
 
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I may be wrong about this, but the state of enlightenment does not entail the ego as we think of it in terms of being the traditional ego. There is the absence of, if I am remembering correctly.

I share your sentiments about Zen.
That is the paradox, the only way to satisfy the ego, one must eliminate it. (Just my opinion, as to how I understood it)
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Old 11-16-2012, 08:47 AM
 
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That is the paradox, the only way to satisfy the ego, one must eliminate it. (Just my opinion, as to how I understood it)
In large part June agrees. However, the "ego" is transformative and/or is absent at the point of enlightenment. --If it even exists at all in the process of obtaining enlightenment. June doesn't think it does exist. There is thus that detachment of ego in the process.
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Old 11-16-2012, 08:53 AM
 
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In large part June agrees. However, the "ego" is transformative and/or is let go of in enlightenment. --If it even exists at all at the point of enlightenment. June doesn't think it does.
Good point
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Old 11-16-2012, 08:57 AM
 
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It's the ultimate detachment (June thinks, but can't adequately remember) that is at the heart of all things. (???)
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Old 11-16-2012, 10:26 AM
 
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It's the ultimate detachment (June thinks, but can't adequately remember) that is at the heart of all things. (???)
Your memory is correct.
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Old 11-16-2012, 07:09 PM
 
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I have found that for myself, the core of my practice is to "acknowledge without being controlled by". When I think of "attachment" this is how I experience it.

FWIW.
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Old 01-24-2013, 10:24 AM
 
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Attachments to beliefs, to the stories of our life.. we become attached to these things which create conditions to the mind, which then are used to judge everything in this life ( based on what we have been through /taaught) Life is Always Fresh and new.. and this is how we should approach it.. In the moment. in the power , connected to the magic of life..
But we become attached to "things" in the miind, which take us away from Life which is Always Now.
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