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Old 07-04-2020, 06:53 PM
 
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It's sort of like "mai pben rai". A wonderful little concept...until it isn't.
LOL, yes! If East and West could meet in the middle, we might just have it.
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Old 07-05-2020, 10:51 AM
 
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Can crisis be viewed as Suffering in the First Noble Truth?
Or perhaps: can Suffering be viewed as crisis?

Is such a question within the Buddhist stance?
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Old 07-05-2020, 11:16 AM
 
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Can crisis be viewed as Suffering in the First Noble Truth?
Or perhaps: can Suffering be viewed as crisis?

Is such a question within the Buddhist stance?
How are you defining "the Buddhist stance"? I'm not quite sure what that means.
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Old 07-05-2020, 04:03 PM
 
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yes. much to be reconsidered.



Indeed.
And I am not preaching, I am bound to physical myself. Yet, ever so often, I do stop and say to myself - why exactly is that I am concerned with/worried about a certain situation? For starters, it WILL parish, just like anything else always does. Secondly, I do not know, no one does, what will outcome. As it was said, anything that happens, is for the best.

In general, Buddhist stance should be - no adherence to things passing. One that has such stance, is unperturbed with what might be considered a crisis otherwise.

As I said, Gautama would have asked - What crisis?

A story comes to mind.. Few young men hired a prostitute and went into some secluded place, to have some fun. They got drunk and mistreated the woman. She escaped and ran away. While chasing her, they lost track of her.
In their search, they passed an alcove, where Gautama was meditating.
They asked him - Did you see a woman passing down the road? Where did she go?
Gautama opened his eyes and responded - I have not seen a woman. Someone passed down this road, but was it man or a woman - what is the difference?



What crisis? What is the difference between good and bad? Personal choice?
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Old 07-06-2020, 12:40 PM
 
Location: high plains
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Thank you for clarifying Buddhist stance. I, too, was a little puzzled about that.
I have not seen the phrase mentioned yet in my literature reading.
It is a worthwhile concept for more discussion in a separate thread, unless
it can be brought to bear in this one - as in your helpful posts.

I began by thinking about specific crises. I see that such crises arise and pass.
I was happy to see the Dalai Lama talk about it. Now I am considering crisis in general, as a human condition - for example, existential crisis. Crisis like this does not pass while humans exist.

I am humbly approaching the Buddha for comprehension. It may be that meditation and mindfulness are the only tools for understanding, but this forum is filled with wisdom and I thought it might be an interesting topic of discussion, illustration, and illumination.

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Old 07-07-2020, 06:00 AM
 
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My readings are leading me to the realization that crisis, regardless of its perpetual endurance, is simply an aspect of Suffering and part of the human condition. This is just an imperfect paraphrasing of the Buddha's teaching, of course. Comprehension is attained through the Noble Eightfold Path and then discarded along the way to Enlightenment as recognized, but unnecessary. This seems to satisfy in my mind the issue of crisis. Now begins the real journey.

I am now a bit mystified about what sort of discussion is appropriate to this forum. If everything is resolved in the Path, what can be discussed?

I am currently reading the free pdf download of: Buddha-Dharma, The Way to Enlightenment, if anybody cares. It's over 800 pages, which should keep me occupied for awhile. Thank you, Mahayana.

https://bdkamerica.org/product/buddh...-2e-hardcover/

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Old 07-07-2020, 08:00 AM
 
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Correct. Sort of. A "crisis" is matter of personal choice. "crisis" for one may be "blessing" for someone else.
Buddhist stance is - non attachment to ANYTHING that is passing. Acceptance of everything, as it is, non attachment to anything.
As you found, indeed, EVERYTHING on the physical plane of the physical world IS passing. That was first realization of the young prince Siddhartha.

Politicians from Buddhism, that I do not discuss. They have their purpose.
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Old 07-07-2020, 01:55 PM
 
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Correct. Sort of. A "crisis" is matter of personal choice. "crisis" for one may be "blessing" for someone else.
Buddhist stance is - non attachment to ANYTHING that is passing. Acceptance of everything, as it is, non attachment to anything.
As you found, indeed, EVERYTHING on the physical plane of the physical world IS passing. That was first realization of the young prince Siddhartha.
I will continue to study the distinctions you mention. The river gets deep for me beyond the physical.
I had the same problem with metaphysics and advanced math.

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Politicians from Buddhism, that I do not discuss. They have their purpose.
I didn't research the politics. Noted.
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Old 07-07-2020, 05:04 PM
 
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Dalai Lama is politician. This is why I mentioned. Good, bad, again, it is matter of perspective and personal choice.



Do your best to realize, that you are not your body. Nor, your mind. When this realization comes to your heart, world suddenly moves into perspective and is, for lack of better comparison, "on horizon". Suddenly, you sit on a peak, looking down at valley.



Be blessed on you Path, Seeker


Namaste
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Old 07-07-2020, 06:47 PM
 
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Gautama would have likely said - What crisis? Things to be concerned with, go as they should. Things not to be concerned with, should not be concerned with.

high, you are bound to physical. This is not Buddhist stance.

Namaste
I like this response best. Most of what I see as "crisis" is human in origin and nature. Drop the crisis-mongering and we'll all be better off.

Many want to give crises jackets and shoes, and launch them down the street, instead of stepping back and confronting what shouldn't be created in the first place.
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