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WNY is a wonderful place to live and rather than 99% of Buffalo looking like a war zone, I'd say it's more like 15%, and in all of WNY more like 3%.
Most of the city of Buffalo is run down. This shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone.
WNY has nearly the highest density of property taxes in the nation, a huge number of broken educational systems, large amounts of poverty, depressed industry, racial division, significant drug issues, and above average property crime across the board.
Straw man. I didn't diminish the issues with other cities. I'm talking about Buffalo. I am just as content to speak the fact that Buffalo has the same, or worse, issues as Detroit, Cleveland, Youngstown, Binghamton, Rochester, Pittsburgh, Canton, Gary, Chicago, Milwaukee, etc.
Also, yes, you repeated. You can go back and read previous posts.
The investment is notably short-term, and very heavy. $200 million for Canalside is scary - "Buffalo billion" is bad news. 1500 jobs for SCTY - and SCTY might not even make it to the open date. 30000 jobs alone at Bethlehem Steel in its heyday, IIR. Canalside can't draw anchor stores. You go down there, there is no place to shop besides a few pizza places, clothing shops, and Fowler's.
No.....You aren't going to get Bethlehem Steel back. Manufacturing employment in the US peaked in 1979. Time to move on.
Binghamton, really? Rochester is more white collar than Buffalo. Gary was/is essentially a company steel city named after the president of US Steel and given what I mentioned above and its total reliance on the steel industry, no surprise there. Similar for Youngstown as well. Some of the other cities on your list have multiple industries.
A number of broken educational systems? Actually, the Buffalo metro has a poverty rate overall and for families on par with the growing Nashville metro according to 2010-2014 census info. While there is concentrated poverty(again not exclusive to the area), the overall numbers aren't as crazy as you think they are.
Where aren't there drug issues and aspects of racial division? I guess the fact that the Black median household income in the Cleveland Hill SD is actually above the national figure and the county figure doesn't mean anything. Cleveland Hill Union Free School District Income and Careers - USA.comâ„¢ So, even that will vary in the area.
Again, it is silly to deny the changes for the better occurring in the Buffalo area, which is what other posters are referring to.
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No.....You aren't going to get Bethlehem Steel back. Manufacturing employment in the US peaked in 1979. Time to move on.
Who said it was coming back? Well, other than Buffalo Rising. I know it's not coming back. That's my point.
A, 700 million dollar investment? For 1500 permanent jobs? Of a company is about to possibly get acquired and has lost 50% of it's stock value in 6 months? NYS had to give up the farm to get a factory in Buffalo. That's downright scary to any economist or business-minded person.
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Binghamton, really? Rochester is more white collar than Buffalo. Gary was/is essentially a company steel city named after the president of US Steel and given what I mentioned above and its total reliance on the steel industry, no surprise there. Similar for Youngstown as well. Some of the other cities on your list have multiple industries.
Are you not following? I'm comparing the original point - racial divides, with other cities... because some keep bringing up the point that since it's crappy in other places, it's fine for Buffalo to have crappy things. I can name dozens of cities where the density of crap to growth and progress is very small. In Buffalo, the density of growth and progress is small compared to the negatives. Follow along, it's hard to respond to scattered information.
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A number of broken educational systems? Actually, the Buffalo metro has a poverty rate overall and for families on par with the growing Nashville metro according to 2010-2014 census info. While there is concentrated poverty(again not exclusive to the area), the overall numbers aren't as crazy as you think they are.
Geez, it's really hard to respond to these posts.
Nashville is a random city to pick. I've been there, I'll go look at census because I am happy to dismiss any comparison of Buffalo to Nashville. Socio-economically or otherwise.
I can't keep to one point without being thrown into another.
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Again, it is silly to deny the changes for the better occurring in the Buffalo area, which is what other posters are referring to.
What "changes for the better" am I denying?
$200 million for canalside is too much. Otherwise, it's an OK area. Very small, not many stores, the lake is by far the greatest asset and that was free. It's better than the trash heap that was there, though. Don't make it more than it is.
Whole Foods coming to Buffalo is fluffy nonsense. It's not even coming to Buffalo. I'm not going to play along with that.
What other "changes for the better"? I speak in reality, not in fantasy.
Who said it was coming back? Well, other than Buffalo Rising. I know it's not coming back. That's my point.
A, 700 million dollar investment? For 1500 permanent jobs? Of a company is about to possibly get acquired and has lost 50% of it's stock value in 6 months? NYS had to give up the farm to get a factory in Buffalo. That's downright scary to any economist or business-minded person.
Are you not following? I'm comparing the original point - racial divides, with other cities... because some keep bringing up the point that since it's crappy in other places, it's fine for Buffalo to have crappy things. I can name dozens of cities where the density of crap to growth and progress is very small. In Buffalo, the density of growth and progress is small compared to the negatives. Follow along, it's hard to respond to scattered information.
Geez, it's really hard to respond to these posts.
Nashville is a random city to pick. I've been there, I'll go look at census because I am happy to dismiss any comparison of Buffalo to Nashville. Socio-economically or otherwise.
I can't keep to one point without being thrown into another.
What "changes for the better" am I denying?
$200 million for canalside is too much. Otherwise, it's an OK area. Very small, not many stores, the lake is by far the greatest asset and that was free. It's better than the trash heap that was there, though. Don't make it more than it is.
Whole Foods coming to Buffalo is fluffy nonsense. It's not even coming to Buffalo. I'm not going to play along with that.
What other "changes for the better"? I speak in reality, not in fantasy.
I'm just responding to your posts, as they have gone in a totally different direction than what the OP started with.
Buffalo Rising has actually mentioned bring Bethlehem Steel back? That deserves a C'mon man!
Unfortunately, the game is to use incentives to attract companies. So, that isn't anything new.
No, my point about racial divides is that it isn't much different elsewhere. Here is an example of what I'm referring to, as it manifests itself in different ways: http://www.bizjournals.com/buffalo/b...e=&CPIorderBy=
I'm just responding to your posts, as they have gone in a totally different direction than what the OP started with.
Buffalo Rising has actually mentioned bring Bethlehem Steel back? That deserves a C'mon man!
Unfortunately, the game is to use incentives to attract companies. So, that isn't anything new.
No, my point about racial divides is that it isn't much different elsewhere. Here is an example of what I'm referring to, as it manifests itself in different ways: http://www.bizjournals.com/buffalo/b...e=&CPIorderBy=
I just used Nashville as an example of a similar sized area with similar poverty rates on the metro level.
I already posted examples of developments and projects occurring in the area.
Please look up the word, "Satire". I was making satire of Buffalo Rising for pumping endlessly the positives of the city.
No, my posts have been in response to other posts. Then you responded, ignoring most of the content of my posts, then going on tangents like one about Nashville - which has 8.5% population growth, $15000 higher per capita income, 11% less poverty, nearly 3x home value but only $150 higher rents, higher owner occupancy, etc. Nashville has over 2x the population of Buffalo. Nothing about them is similar in any regard whatsoever. Nothing geographical, socio-economic, etc. Terrible comparison to your detriment. Tons of immigrants coming to Nashville and world-class arts scene are more notably differences.
And yes, racial divide is certainly different in many other places. If you're saying every place has the same marked divide between black and white as Buffalo, you're spouting downright lies.
So far, I found a link about ripping out a parkway and building a medical building. The former being an odd pump for making a city "better" since it's not even in Buffalo to start; the latter not diversifying the economy at all. And if we ever get medical costs to come down, the medical corridor will be hurting. It is good to see a research facility, but there's not much notable in that since most mid-size cities have research facilities. The fact that it took this long to gather resources to build that facility is notable.
Please look up the word, "Satire". I was making satire of Buffalo Rising for pumping endlessly the positives of the city.
No, my posts have been in response to other posts. Then you responded, ignoring most of the content of my posts, then going on tangents like one about Nashville - which has 8.5% population growth, $15000 higher per capita income, 11% less poverty, nearly 3x home value but only $150 higher rents, higher owner occupancy, etc. Nashville has over 2x the population of Buffalo. Nothing about them is similar in any regard whatsoever. Nothing geographical, socio-economic, etc. Terrible comparison to your detriment. Tons of immigrants coming to Nashville and world-class arts scene are more notably differences.
And yes, racial divide is certainly different in many other places. If you're saying every place has the same marked divide between black and white as Buffalo, you're spouting downright lies.
So far, I found a link about ripping out a parkway and building a medical building. The former being an odd pump for making a city "better" since it's not even in Buffalo to start; the latter not diversifying the economy at all. And if we ever get medical costs to come down, the medical corridor will be hurting. It is good to see a research facility, but there's not much notable in that since most mid-size cities have research facilities. The fact that it took this long to gather resources to build that facility is notable.
I said that Nashville's metro poverty rate is actually about the same as the Buffalo metro's poverty rate is what I said. Nashville is essentially Davidson County and is why I used the metro areas. I used it due to a previous thread in the General US city vs city forum.
Milwaukee is the most segregated metro actually and while there is some segregation(imagine that in a Northern area that also had/has ethnic neighborhoods/areas), you also have integrated areas in the city and select suburbs in the Buffalo area.
Tanlegs if there was an award for the most negative posts about a city you would win it hands down. Why do you get so much joy out of trashing Buffalo? You are up till all hours of the night finding all kinds of videos and citing statistics. You can cite and post all you want but the city is getting better. The One Seneca was doomed due to HSBC deciding to pull out of the area and selling its branch network to First Niagara. Let us not forget it has been there since 1972 with few problems. It will be re-purposed as the downtown continues to grow. You still haven't told us what city you honor with your presence, why is that?
Please look up the word, "Satire". I was making satire of Buffalo Rising for pumping endlessly the positives of the city.
No, my posts have been in response to other posts. Then you responded, ignoring most of the content of my posts, then going on tangents like one about Nashville - which has 8.5% population growth, $15000 higher per capita income, 11% less poverty, nearly 3x home value but only $150 higher rents, higher owner occupancy, etc. Nashville has over 2x the population of Buffalo. Nothing about them is similar in any regard whatsoever. Nothing geographical, socio-economic, etc. Terrible comparison to your detriment. Tons of immigrants coming to Nashville and world-class arts scene are more notably differences.
And yes, racial divide is certainly different in many other places. If you're saying every place has the same marked divide between black and white as Buffalo, you're spouting downright lies.
So far, I found a link about ripping out a parkway and building a medical building. The former being an odd pump for making a city "better" since it's not even in Buffalo to start; the latter not diversifying the economy at all. And if we ever get medical costs to come down, the medical corridor will be hurting. It is good to see a research facility, but there's not much notable in that since most mid-size cities have research facilities. The fact that it took this long to gather resources to build that facility is notable.
Nashville and Buffalo have A LOT in common. Each has an NFL team, NHL team. Each has an AAA baseball team named after what their city is known for (Bison, Sound.) Each is known nationwide for something (wings, music) That is similarities to me.
Buffalo News ran a article the other day comparing Buffalo to Florida saying both are equal and both have con's & pro's, but didn't compare the economy's, taxes, growth and increase/decrease of population's, Buffalo's best pro was a grocery store named Wegmans and it's open 24 hours a day. No one else has grocery store's and they are open 24hrs a day. Like Buffalo is a 24 hr city ?
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