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Old 03-25-2017, 10:04 PM
 
Location: The City of Buffalo!
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I would think if he was, he would have pounced on this thread to bash Buffalo by now.
There are at least two others here to replace him.
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Old 03-26-2017, 06:17 AM
 
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What's the deal with Casey that keeps getting mentioned?
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Old 03-26-2017, 06:51 AM
 
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Is he now another name here
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Old 03-26-2017, 10:26 AM
 
Location: Buffalo, NY
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Well, the Buffalo MSA faltered in 2016, according to the lastest estimates. Erie county had a population of 921,046, down 1,911 from 2015. The year before, Erie County lost 745. Niagara county has 211,758 for a loss of 764. The year before saw a loss of 962. My guess would be Buffalo resumed a faster decline than the first part of the 2010s. Net domestic migration was about total -5900, which is a little more than last year. The natural increase was only 74 yikes! International migration was at 3600, the highest in a long time.
What is interesting about 2016 numbers (as was also true in 2015) is that each yearly estimate since 2010 has been recalculated, and although the last 2 years have shown a drop since "peak" population estimate year (2014) each yearly revision has shown a higher peak than the year before.

2015 census estimates/2016 estimates/difference
2013 - 921794/922150/+356
2014 - 923193/923702/+509
2015 - 922578/922957/+379

So, the 2016 estimates show that population has been underestimated in previous years.

Definitely not seeing the pre-2010 trends of population loss, but neither seeing any significant increase either.
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Old 03-26-2017, 11:12 AM
 
Location: The City of Buffalo!
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So, the 2016 estimates show that population has been underestimated in previous years.
Definitely not seeing the pre-2010 trends of population loss, but neither seeing any significant increase either.
Sounds as population stabilizing to me.
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Old 03-26-2017, 11:24 AM
 
Location: Buffalo, NY
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A quick look at population estimates for other US Rust Belt cities shows ALL had population drops in their core counties between 2015 and 2016:

Milwaukee (Milwaukee) -4866 (-0.51%)
Cuyahoga (Cleveland) -5673 (-0.45%)
Wayne (Detroit) -7696 (-0.44%)
Cook (Chicago) -21324 (-0.41%)
Allegheny (Pittsburgh) -3933 (-0.32%)
St Louis (St Louis) -3124 (-0.31%)
Erie (Buffalo) -1911 (-0.21%)
Monroe (Rochester) -1321 (-0.18%)
Jefferson (Birmingham) -486 (-0.07%)

What can a single city do to beat this trend?
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Old 03-26-2017, 12:03 PM
 
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What is interesting about 2016 numbers (as was also true in 2015) is that each yearly estimate since 2010 has been recalculated, and although the last 2 years have shown a drop since "peak" population estimate year (2014) each yearly revision has shown a higher peak than the year before.

2015 census estimates/2016 estimates/difference
2013 - 921794/922150/+356
2014 - 923193/923702/+509
2015 - 922578/922957/+379

So, the 2016 estimates show that population has been underestimated in previous years.

Definitely not seeing the pre-2010 trends of population loss, but neither seeing any significant increase either.
Another reason why I wait until 2020, as each year's estimates get adjusted. For instance, you'll notice this in this thread(posts 8 and 9): //www.city-data.com/forum/ralei...gh-growth.html
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Old 03-26-2017, 12:28 PM
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People can go back and forth, and say oh its cheaper to live in Nashville, or North Carolina or whatever. They say oh the price of gas is cheaper in X than in Y.

That's fine and dandy. Money doesn't buy happiness.

For us, we moved south due to crippling student debt, and lack of jobs that paid us decent money.

That in combination with that the north east climate did not suit us, and we found it too depressing during the long drawn out winters.

Moved to a city where our city offers us nice services, parks, lakes, recreation, and a stable job market.

We love to walk across the street to new tennis courts, new sports facilities, hike and bike trail, and we can use them year round.

The suburb I lived in WNY offered nothing beyond basic services (water, streets, etc).

So the fact that a city costs more or costs less, matters very little. It is quality of life, the rest will fill out for you.

If you are an avid ski fan, or hockey skater, then maybe WNY is for you. It is finding the balancing act of career, money, and life's pleasures.

I don't buy that all the people moving from WNY are elderly going to Florida. My facebook is filled with hundreds of people I grew up with in NY. I would say maybe 20-30 percent of them have moved to other states. I am in my mind 30's.
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Old 03-26-2017, 01:53 PM
 
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People can go back and forth, and say oh its cheaper to live in Nashville, or North Carolina or whatever. They say oh the price of gas is cheaper in X than in Y.

That's fine and dandy. Money doesn't buy happiness.

For us, we moved south due to crippling student debt, and lack of jobs that paid us decent money.

That in combination with that the north east climate did not suit us, and we found it too depressing during the long drawn out winters.

Moved to a city where our city offers us nice services, parks, lakes, recreation, and a stable job market.

We love to walk across the street to new tennis courts, new sports facilities, hike and bike trail, and we can use them year round.

The suburb I lived in WNY offered nothing beyond basic services (water, streets, etc).

So the fact that a city costs more or costs less, matters very little. It is quality of life, the rest will fill out for you.

If you are an avid ski fan, or hockey skater, then maybe WNY is for you. It is finding the balancing act of career, money, and life's pleasures.

I don't buy that all the people moving from WNY are elderly going to Florida. My facebook is filled with hundreds of people I grew up with in NY. I would say maybe 20-30 percent of them have moved to other states. I am in my mind 30's.
I don't think anyone said that all the people moving to Florida are elderly. I think what was said is that retirees make up a good portion of people moving to select Southern states.

I actually agree that people should just move to where they want to move to or live for THEMSELVES, regardless of the aspects. However, I don't think it is irrelevant to present information based upon collective experiences in an area either way.


Here is another post in a similar thread in the city vs. city forum as to why estimates should be taken from what they are: //www.city-data.com/forum/47637937-post320.html


So, the Buffalo area added 5,600 jobs between 2015 and 2016, but lost people. Hmm.......The area added about 9000 jobs between 2016 and 2017 as well.

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Old 03-26-2017, 08:56 PM
 
Location: Upstate NY/NJ
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People can go back and forth, and say oh its cheaper to live in Nashville, or North Carolina or whatever. They say oh the price of gas is cheaper in X than in Y.

That's fine and dandy. Money doesn't buy happiness.

For us, we moved south due to crippling student debt, and lack of jobs that paid us decent money.

That in combination with that the north east climate did not suit us, and we found it too depressing during the long drawn out winters.

Moved to a city where our city offers us nice services, parks, lakes, recreation, and a stable job market.

We love to walk across the street to new tennis courts, new sports facilities, hike and bike trail, and we can use them year round.

The suburb I lived in WNY offered nothing beyond basic services (water, streets, etc).

So the fact that a city costs more or costs less, matters very little. It is quality of life, the rest will fill out for you.

If you are an avid ski fan, or hockey skater, then maybe WNY is for you. It is finding the balancing act of career, money, and life's pleasures.

I don't buy that all the people moving from WNY are elderly going to Florida. My facebook is filled with hundreds of people I grew up with in NY. I would say maybe 20-30 percent of them have moved to other states. I am in my mind 30's.
Good post. I think most people would agree with this. I'd rather live in a small condo in a city I loved, than in a McMansion in a city I hated.
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