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Old 03-02-2019, 06:16 AM
 
Location: Flahrida
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It is in the healthcare field. My point with Niagara Falls in particular is that converting old buildings into apartments and the like enriches builders and really doesn't do that much for the area. Well heeled individuals get a nice apartments and some are "market rate" to qualify for the subsidies. The vast, vast majority of Niagara Falls is crime ridden and looks like a 3rd world country. That huge smelly garbage dump ruined a huge portion of the city and it keeps growing and growing and the smell makes you gag. By posting these articles it gives people the wrong impression that the area is really turning around when its just a small area near the Falls.
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Old 03-02-2019, 08:57 AM
 
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It is in the healthcare field. My point with Niagara Falls in particular is that converting old buildings into apartments and the like enriches builders and really doesn't do that much for the area. Well heeled individuals get a nice apartments and some are "market rate" to qualify for the subsidies. The vast, vast majority of Niagara Falls is crime ridden and looks like a 3rd world country. That huge smelly garbage dump ruined a huge portion of the city and it keeps growing and growing and the smell makes you gag. By posting these articles it gives people the wrong impression that the area is really turning around when its just a small area near the Falls.
There are other areas of Niagara Falls that are fine like DeVeaux on the city’s northern end just south of Lewiston, Hyde Park near the park of the same name in outer NE part of the city/outer Pine Avenue and LaSalle in the outer eastern end of the city near Wheatfield. So, while the city has its issues, there are other parts of the city that are stable and are even middle class(its poverty rate is 27.5% according to 2013-2017 census information ).

Some more information of things going on in the city from LiveNF: https://www.livenf.com
https://m.facebook.com/LiveNF-214553965337484/

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Old 03-02-2019, 11:26 AM
 
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It is in the healthcare field. My point with Niagara Falls in particular is that converting old buildings into apartments and the like enriches builders and really doesn't do that much for the area. Well heeled individuals get a nice apartments and some are "market rate" to qualify for the subsidies. The vast, vast majority of Niagara Falls is crime ridden and looks like a 3rd world country. That huge smelly garbage dump ruined a huge portion of the city and it keeps growing and growing and the smell makes you gag. By posting these articles it gives people the wrong impression that the area is really turning around when its just a small area near the Falls.
So true, when I tell people I'm from Buffalo NY their look on their faces says it's all, they like OMG it's so destitute their and its sh*t hole there and the government their is so corrupt and the taxes are so insanely high , their no jobs there, its snow everyday Buffalo's image is bad
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Old 03-02-2019, 12:37 PM
 
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Perception. Cause half haven’t been here. It’s not the greatest place, however it’s far from the worst. How many cities can say we’re close to water. Taxes are out of control I’ll give them that.
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Old 03-02-2019, 12:39 PM
 
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I used to get the southerners ask me is it snowing there in July, of course it is not. I would ask them did you replace the roof after another hurricane event.
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Old 03-02-2019, 02:53 PM
 
Location: In the heights
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It is in the healthcare field. My point with Niagara Falls in particular is that converting old buildings into apartments and the like enriches builders and really doesn't do that much for the area. Well heeled individuals get a nice apartments and some are "market rate" to qualify for the subsidies. The vast, vast majority of Niagara Falls is crime ridden and looks like a 3rd world country. That huge smelly garbage dump ruined a huge portion of the city and it keeps growing and growing and the smell makes you gag. By posting these articles it gives people the wrong impression that the area is really turning around when its just a small area near the Falls.
Well, are they going to do something with the dump? Is there a longitudinal plan? Which dump is it that’s so massive and smelly?
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Old 03-02-2019, 04:48 PM
 
Location: Flahrida
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Well, are they going to do something with the dump? Is there a longitudinal plan? Which dump is it that’s so massive and smelly?
It will get an 84 acre expansion:

https://www.gza.com/content/allied-w...agara-falls-ny

Odor problems:

https://www.niagara-gazette.com/news...1a129506d.html

More problems:

https://www.niagara-gazette.com/news...c1ff742ae.html
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Old 03-02-2019, 04:49 PM
 
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Former Cecos international is the landfill there. One nasty landfill with all kinds of bad things. I know I work on that place thirty years ago as environmental consultant.
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Old 03-02-2019, 05:05 PM
 
Location: Flahrida
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Lets be realistic Niagara Falls is loaded with toxic waste. There were many chemical plants along the Niagara River in its heyday. Those sites are undoubtedly toxic as well as others:

https://www.citylab.com/environment/...-falls/546083/

A few apartments are built here and there and a few tourist attractions near the Falls but the rest of the city is a giant toxic dump. I doubt if any of the posters here would live there for any amount of money.

The title of this thread is 1.82 billion in development, but how about the suffering residents who are dying of all kinds of diseases, how much of the 1.82 billion is going to help them?

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Old 03-02-2019, 05:27 PM
 
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I think a lot of this news is misleading. Developers are taking advantage of generous grants and incentives to convert vacant structures into apartments and other mixed use developments. We have a business in Niagara Falls and the vast majority of the patrons are on some form of public assistance. We survive by having many of them and our business is located outside the city limits near the outlet mall. Its far and away our least profitable location. The city looks like a war zone even though there is some activity near the Falls, like turning the bankrupt mall into the culinary school. We take visitors that can't cross into Canada around the USA side to Goat Island and downtown and although slightly improved still looks like a war zone. I remember the Falls from the 1950's when it was a vibrant area like downtown Buffalo used to be. Most of the action comes from State assistance, the Casino is self contained with people parking, going to the Casino and leaving.

You are correct. This is mostly done with government grants and incentives and is all cosmetic. Traditionally, when an area starts to improve, the investments are private and in real job growth. The cosmetic improvements come later, when they are affordable and businesses are profitable. Otherwise, you are just seeing smoke and mirrors to give the illusion of a good economy, not sustainable growth. Eventually the "new" buildings aren't new anymore and the area once again deteriorates. I remember when the mall was built, with the Wintergarden and everything seemed on the upswing. How did that turn out? Here we go again.
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