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Old 01-18-2009, 10:13 PM
 
Location: South San Francisco
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WTF and where did this thread come from? And Why is the captain in a pissing match w/ the sheriff ?
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Old 01-18-2009, 10:15 PM
 
Location: NW Las Vegas - Lone Mountain
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The Sheriff discovered that in my past I spent many years working for Xerox. It is not a secret.

He was in one of his less pleasant moods so he decided to make an issue of it. You can read it. It is entertaining in spots.
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Old 01-18-2009, 11:14 PM
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Uh-oh..Gregs off his meds again.
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Old 01-19-2009, 10:37 AM
 
Location: South San Francisco
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So he blames you for the company losing a lot of cash and the fact that Microsoft stole their UI ?

Can I blame you for my gambling addiction?
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Old 01-19-2009, 11:37 AM
 
Location: NW Las Vegas - Lone Mountain
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So he blames you for the company losing a lot of cash and the fact that Microsoft stole their UI ?

Can I blame you for my gambling addiction?
But of course...if I was not in it for the punishment why would I have become an RE Agent.
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Old 01-19-2009, 01:17 PM
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Location: Redmond, WA / Henderson, NV
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Xerox is not the worst company of all time. Jeez, a reality check is in order. That title clearly goes to blatant fraudsters such as Enron or the investment banks that blew up in '08.

Xerox fell into what's known as the 'innovators dillemma'. It's happened to countless successful companies. Most of them actually. It's very hard for a company good at one thing to change and adapt into something else and maintain growth indefinitely. Very few companies from the 1800's still exist today (Sears, Levis, and others are all barely holding on to life). Only a handful from the early 1900's (GE, Ford, US Steel still around and big, but not growing). Stands to reason that many of the big names of the late 1900's (IBM, Xerox, Microsoft, Intel, Apple, Yahoo) will not be around in 2100.

A little perspective would be useful.
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Old 01-19-2009, 07:41 PM
 
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Enron was a very good company that sold its soul to the devil (government). A lot of brilliant ideas came from there, but also lots of corruption...
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Old 01-19-2009, 07:57 PM
 
Location: NW Las Vegas - Lone Mountain
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Xerox is not the worst company of all time. Jeez, a reality check is in order. That title clearly goes to blatant fraudsters such as Enron or the investment banks that blew up in '08.

Xerox fell into what's known as the 'innovators dillemma'. It's happened to countless successful companies. Most of them actually. It's very hard for a company good at one thing to change and adapt into something else and maintain growth indefinitely. Very few companies from the 1800's still exist today (Sears, Levis, and others are all barely holding on to life). Only a handful from the early 1900's (GE, Ford, US Steel still around and big, but not growing). Stands to reason that many of the big names of the late 1900's (IBM, Xerox, Microsoft, Intel, Apple, Yahoo) will not be around in 2100.

A little perspective would be useful.
The interesting thing is that we knew the problem. A lot of the capable insiders knew exactly what we were up against.

And it is insidious. Take the PC. We had a pretty good CPM machine and lots of knowledge to grow that for a long time. We had an exceptional base in word processors. We had the basic thoughts of the window environment and real working hardware. We had high resolution and color printers.

Can't lose right? Wrong. Simple things. The computer has to be PC compatible. Dumb. But absolutely required by the marketing wing or it could not be sold. So we put 30 million into developing an AT clone with some new features...ejectable hard drives for example and some interesting new disk drive algorithms that made them quite fast.

Got it all done almost on time and budget...marketing decommitted. Turns out they suddenly realized there was no way they could actually handle an AT clone. Tandem sold 250,000 of them in Europe.

The next generation word processor was going to cost 15 or 20 million to develop. Too much money. So we wnet outside and bought one. No capable techs looked at it. Seemed like a really neat package...until the programmers got to the code. Half of it was "if demo" statements.

PARC and the Engineering groups were hostile. And all had reason to be. Turned out that the corporation could never find the referee or leader. So it just festered.

There are dozen of other similar stories. The powerful marketing arm of Xerox was it downfall. And even they could not prevent it.
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Old 01-20-2009, 12:14 AM
 
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There are dozen of other similar stories. The powerful marketing arm of Xerox was it downfall. And even they could not prevent it.
Excellent observation! I've seen this at work in a number of companies, and any time the marketing arm starts making the engineering decisions, a lot of the smart rats start to head for the gangplank.

Marketing people kill the best ideas because they haven't had the time to become sexy, and they always seem to be intent on chasing the impossible dream. They don't know what really makes things tick, and if you try to explain it to them, they'll make your life hell by misunderstanding every other word you tell them.

The only way I've been able to figure out how to get a good idea into a marketing oriented company is to hand them a product which is ready to go out the door, and fight tooth and nail when they try to 'improve' it. If you give them a year of development time, they'll be sure to find a way to kill it through sheer stupidity.
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Old 01-20-2009, 05:30 AM
 
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The Missippi company (1684)

It was a company that had all trading rights with the Missippi territory. By 1719 the company had a share price of 500 livres (french dollar) by 1720 the share price was at 10,000 livres or 2,000%. By 1721 the share price was in free fall and went back to 500 livres. First ever known stock market bubble. The resulting crash literally bankrupted the country. In 1789 France fell into revolution.
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