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Old 08-23-2013, 10:45 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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An ice rink can work if you are buying it at foreclosure for pennies on the dollar while keeping it's long-term contracted, rent-paying tenants (e.g. private hockey clubs, HS/college/semi-professional team training ice, etc.). This is exactly what a Canadian company is now doing across our country - buying up our now underwater/foreclosed rinks at rock bottom prices and then managing them more efficiently using economies of scale (e.g. better negotiated prices for zambonis, fuel, mechanicals, cafes, etc.). Those Canadians have ice-rink management down to a science! For ice rinks, a big cost is the mechanical/refrigeration systems - once they start going - BIG capital costs...
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Old 08-25-2013, 05:55 PM
 
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Definitely an interesting business model.

Canadians and ice rinks? Who would of known!
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Old 08-26-2013, 09:42 AM
 
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Definitely an interesting business model.

Canadians and ice rinks? Who would of known!
LOL.... I think I've seen a few serious "ice rink management" college degree programs in Canada. I think they may be a little ahead of us in this market.
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Old 08-26-2013, 09:04 PM
 
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It has been a winner at ski resorts in the summer and winter. Nice part is the machinery is already in place to get the people up the mountain.
How much is the liability insurance?

I would think you need to provide every employee coming into contact with customers: emergency medical aid training, some sort of sexual harassment training, training to check the equipment, two way radios, safety equipment; on and on.

Seems like an annoying business.
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Old 08-26-2013, 11:41 PM
 
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If they were good investments, you'd see corporate America taking them over. They're not so they don't.
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Old 08-27-2013, 07:37 AM
 
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How much is the liability insurance?

I would think you need to provide every employee coming into contact with customers: emergency medical aid training, some sort of sexual harassment training, training to check the equipment, two way radios, safety equipment; on and on.

Seems like an annoying business.

I can't see zip lines being any more dangerous than the primary business of a ski resort! Both are gravity powered accidents waiting to happen! The "rider" on a zip line is locked in/clipped in and only 20-40 ft off the ground so even in a fall it shouldn't kill you ().
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Old 08-30-2013, 10:00 PM
 
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yeh, but corporations do run golf courses though. And they run amusement parks. I dont see how recreation is any different. It provides a "fun" activity. And there is the Luck Strike Chain of bowling alleys.

And if not for big business or big real estate developers, who has the money to even build such a facility?

I guess I am talking about a business that lets you do an activity besides drinking alcohol. The only things I can think of are pool halls, bowling, recreation centers, and ice rinks, and paintball.

Oh and there is a company called Sport-time that has like 13 locations

http://www.sportimeny.com/

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Old 08-30-2013, 10:06 PM
 
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Thought of one. It looks to me like a zip line in a very touristy area with beautiful scenery is a good business.
A zip line in downtown or midtown manhattan going from sky scraper to sky scraper, or even bungy jumping off the new Freedom Towers, AWESOME?
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Old 08-30-2013, 10:14 PM
 
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An ice rink can work if you are buying it at foreclosure for pennies on the dollar while keeping it's long-term contracted, rent-paying tenants (e.g. private hockey clubs, HS/college/semi-professional team training ice, etc.). This is exactly what a Canadian company is now doing across our country - buying up our now underwater/foreclosed rinks at rock bottom prices and then managing them more efficiently using economies of scale (e.g. better negotiated prices for zambonis, fuel, mechanicals, cafes, etc.). Those Canadians have ice-rink management down to a science! For ice rinks, a big cost is the mechanical/refrigeration systems - once they start going - BIG capital costs...
Then what do you think about a roller skating/hockey rink? No refrigeration is needed for that. I remember there use to be those around, and everyone was using those quad skates. I remember those old 70s sitcoms use to feature that kind of rink.

Do you guys remember that Jackie Chan Movie where he is like in Texas or something, and enters some roller skating contests?
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Old 09-04-2013, 04:39 PM
 
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Then what do you think about a roller skating/hockey rink? No refrigeration is needed for that. I remember there use to be those around, and everyone was using those quad skates. I remember those old 70s sitcoms use to feature that kind of rink.
FWIW, I think there is an untapped market for non-refrigeration "synthetic ice" skate/hockey rinks, at least in Chicago area. My kids play hockey and ice time is at premium prices due to 1) supply/demand 2) high rink overhead costs. The synthetic ice is getting better in quality and sq. ft. prices have dropped. I also think hockey is in a growth mode (again, at least in Chicago youth programs - Go Blackhawks!). USA Hockey stats seem to support this (especially with number of girls now entering the sport). I could see a synthetic ice rink (e.g. in an old converted warehouse) with lower operational costs doing very well... especially if the facility can be easily converted to house other sports (e.g. a basketball/volleyball court underneath removable synthetic ice), host parties, roller derby, etc.
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