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Old 09-30-2013, 08:13 AM
 
Location: All Over
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if you havent owned a business, its not that easy

most of all businesses are small busineeses, whether its a hardware store, grocery store, restaurant, now competing with the giant chains
people like cheap,,,so they go where the cheapest prices are- like a walmart,,,so to compete with a walmart or home depot,,,a business has to sell its products cheaply,,,which means low margins (profits)

with state federal taxes, property taxes, insurance, electricity, advertising, etc, businesses have a tough time staying open,,,again im talking of small business not the box stores

of course owners would like to pay more to employees, but again,,to offer cheap prices, you dont make alot of profits..



try opening your own business and you will see a whole new world....


thousands of small businesses have closed because again..most people like cheap-keep shopping walmart, with most cheap goods coming from china....but dont wonder why they dont pay much...

manufacturing jobs use to pay more than retail jobs, but again...alot of manufacturing has shut down ,,because of buying cheap goods from china...


its a vicious cycle
this is a great point. yeah sure we'd all love to make more money but guess what if clerks at walmart start to make $20 an hour that means that pack of paper towels that used to cost you $5 is going to cost you $10 and that extra money you make isn't going to give you more buying power because the costs of walmart to operate go up
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Old 09-30-2013, 08:32 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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For-profit businesses are market driven and retail clerks should be paid market rates plus commission. Commission should be based on sales, customer reviews, dept. growth, etc. Commission systems tend to produce best customer service and improved business IMO. Retailers will not pay employees more unless they get increased profits from it.
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Old 09-30-2013, 08:52 AM
 
Location: Living on the Coast in Oxnard CA
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My thoughts:

If you can not afford to live on low pay then do something about that. You can either reduce your cost of living but then how much can you cut your COL down to? The other option is do what all of the rest of us do. Make more money. I have a lifestyle that I am living and it cost much more than $9 an hour to make it. In fact you can multiply that by 4 and you would be close. If you need more money than for get complaining about making so little. Only think about how you can make more, and no I am not saying make all the employers pay you more. You have to take action to make yourself worth more money.
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Old 10-03-2013, 11:52 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles (Native)
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Originally Posted by mainebrokerman View Post
if you havent owned a business, its not that easy

most of all businesses are small busineeses, whether its a hardware store, grocery store, restaurant, now competing with the giant chains
people like cheap,,,so they go where the cheapest prices are- like a walmart,,,so to compete with a walmart or home depot,,,a business has to sell its products cheaply,,,which means low margins (profits)

with state federal taxes, property taxes, insurance, electricity, advertising, etc, businesses have a tough time staying open,,,again im talking of small business not the box stores

of course owners would like to pay more to employees, but again,,to offer cheap prices, you dont make alot of profits..



try opening your own business and you will see a whole new world....


thousands of small businesses have closed because again..most people like cheap-keep shopping walmart, with most cheap goods coming from china....but dont wonder why they dont pay much...

manufacturing jobs use to pay more than retail jobs, but again...alot of manufacturing has shut down ,,because of buying cheap goods from china...


its a vicious cycle
Yeah that is definitely true, people like cheap. But I think more and more you are seeing a growing part of the population willing to pay for quality. Things have changed quite a bit. You have companies like whole foods that are certainly not the cheapest game in town, but they are doing very well.

On a smaller business scale...you have companies that niche down. They are not competing directly with the WalMarts. Basically one has to know their market and customer base extremely well.

With markets theres a supermarket near me that is independently owned.
They do well (haven't seen there books but it's always busy when I am there) because while they provide food and some of the same items as the large chains, the specialize in products that you can't purchase at the nearby large chains. Also their prices on many items are actually much cheaper than the chains.

Also there are a bunch of new burger places opening in L.A all the time and doing well.

How can they do well when they sell a burger for $9 or so ,when everyone knows you can buy a burger at a chain for $3 or sometimes less?

It's about quality and excellent branding/marketing to reach that audience.

In regards to OPs question....I agree that you will have a MUCH easier time trying to do something to improve your wages rather than waiting for a pay raise.

A retail job at or near min wage should never be a career or last job you have.

Also at least consider the idea of starting a business on the side.

The internet has made this so much easier than it was years ago before it was ubiquitous.

What interest(s) do you have that you could turn into a business? It has to be something others are willing to pay for of course.
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Old 10-03-2013, 09:25 PM
 
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I mean do you think they are trying to push retailers out of business? Think about it, when an employer pays a worker $9.00/hour (which is around $8.00 after taxes), how much money does this worker have left after rent, insurance, etc is paid? Not much, meaning he will have nothing left for things like shoes, clothes, etc which is bad news for DSW, MACY'S, NORDSTROM, etc. I think retailers should push employers to pay workers more so that they will have money left over to shop. What do you all think?
What do you think is wrong with the economy?

As we move from manufacturing to service, wages are depressed.

As unions continue to lose ground, wages get depressed. (Divide and conquer, easier to keep wages down with an individual rather than a group)

Wages have been stagnant/declining for the wage earners for a few decades now. Despite what many believe, the rich don't drive the economy, voiding the trickle down theory. The economy is driven by the wage earners. A rich guy making 50x what the workers make might have 1-3 houses, so he needs 1-3 washer machines. 50 workers need 50 washing machines. (Though a CEO making 50x the average workers wages is modest today, with many making 400x. A trait exclusive to the United States)

If things progress, America will not be able to sustain her economy eventually. You have to have a strong middle class to allow the good times.
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