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Old 07-17-2014, 05:03 PM
 
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Yeah, you jerks sold that for 30+ years. Now there's an entire generation of young people in massive debt and no skills to show for it.
UNLESS YOU LEARN A SPECIFIC SKILL OR KNOWLEDGE BASE, THAT CAN BE CONCISELY DESCRIBED, YOU HAVEN'T LEARNED ANYTHING.



Just because the same generation that sold college* is still being stubborn and refusing to actually train anyone, lobby to change the school system, or enact any kind of actual judgement and/or testing to find the best people, and instead relying on simplistic letters after people's names, ALL THE WHILE CONSTANTLY COMPLAINGING ABOUT HOW NONE OF THE PEOPLE THEY HIRE HAS ANY SKILLS, doesn't men that they're right. What can't go on forever, won't.

Target plies the same BS. They hired an MBA woman (smacks of trying to look good through affirmative action), who had no computer skills or experience as their Chief Information Officer, then they had a huge security breach of customer data. How many times does that **** need to happen before they put two and two together?

*college is fine if you're learning actual skills like programming, networking, medicine, engineering, accounting, law etc.
Nothing you wrote is correct.

And then to imply that Target hired a women based on affirmative action?

I see you started a thread about business.... I can assure you, you won't make it.
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Old 07-17-2014, 05:07 PM
 
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I posed this question in the Education forum, and did not get a worthwhile result.

What book(s) do you think provide a good business education? I'm in my mid-40s and have no intention of going to work for someone half my age, but I really want the Finance & Entrepreneurship knowledge that I've always thought an MBA could provide.

So - - in lieu of dropping $100k and a few years on schooling -- what are some books on these topics that you think might fit the bill?
I've actually been through an mba program... what would I recommend?

Go to a website and see if you can find the syllabus for the school's mba program... some will list the required books.

What I think you are really looking for are the economic books of the programs. And I'll have to say, I started a couple of businesses before going back and an mba is not going to teach you how to be an entrepreneur. It hurts in some ways... you tend to question everything and look at business differently. At least I did... everyone will be different.
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Old 07-20-2014, 01:30 PM
 
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an mba is not going to teach you how to be an entrepreneur
So, you said that everything I wrote about the follies of MBA programs is wrong, and suggested I "won't make it" in business, giving no real reason

and yet in like two minutes you manage to inadvertently admit to the truth of everything I was saying. And you're too stupid to realize it.

More proof that MBA's don't mean jack?

if a masters in BUSINESS won't teach you how to successfuly start and run a BUSINESS then you aren't learning much, are you!?!?!?

*watch this, he still won't get it*
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Old 07-22-2014, 04:40 PM
 
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So, you said that everything I wrote about the follies of MBA programs is wrong, and suggested I "won't make it" in business, giving no real reason
I'm sorry for saying that... even thought I know you won't make it, I should have kept it to myself. And I should have simply ignored your trolling. But now that I'm here... lol...

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and yet in like two minutes you manage to inadvertently admit to the truth of everything I was saying. And you're too stupid to realize it.
I've done and doing what you want to do and I'm stupid. Ha, ha... the irony in your statement.


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More proof that MBA's don't mean jack?

if a masters in BUSINESS won't teach you how to successfuly start and run a BUSINESS then you aren't learning much, are you!?!?!?
As I said, an MBA won't teach you how to be an entrepreneur... or did you not understand that? Now how I (not you or some dictionary) define an entrepreneur may be different. That is the question you should ask before jumping to conclusions.

In addition, stating that school is a waste of time is an ignorant statement (you can search the internet for why... start with comparing those with degrees vs. those without).

Take me for example... my undergrad teacher taught me a lot about programming and business. I actually developed a fairly successful program back then (and it still sells). Without him I'm not sure if I'd gained the business experience quickly as I did (he was also a business man in his own right).

I learned a LOT in my MBA program... I recommend an MBA for certain people. Negative for an MBA for me? It does messes with my creative side, which I stated. I've learned to "turn it off" when not needed.

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*watch this, he still won't get it*
Another reason that you don't get it... you need to listen and stop trying to sound like the smartest guy in the room.

But your statement that Target hired a woman for affirmative action reasons is why you won't go far in life, let alone run a successful business.

And have the last word... I'm done with you. ;-)
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Old 07-23-2014, 07:26 PM
 
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what you wrote is barely cogent, it's hard to keep track of what you're responding to or what you think you're responding to and what you're trying to say with your responses (or attempts at responses)

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As I said, an MBA won't teach you how to be an entrepreneur... or did you not understand that
Why wouldn't I understand it if I quoted it? What you don't understand is that it doesn't make sense to claim that an MBA actually teaches useful things, or anything for that matter, and then turn around and admit that it won't teach you how to run a business. Here's a crazy thought, a 6-year program in BUSINESS classes ought to teach you how to start and run a BUSINESS

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In addition, stating that school is a waste of time is an ignorant statement (you can search the internet for why... start with comparing those with degrees vs. those without).
I didn't say it's a complete waste of time, I said it doesn't teach you anything (if I said "waste of time", it was referring to that concept specifically, in general it's obvious that I keep talking about SKILLS).

But let's indeed search the internet
Want to earn more money? Study STEM. - College, Inc. - The Washington Post
So significant numbers of people with measley ASSOCIATE'S degrees make more than people with master's degrees? WHy is that? SKILLS; those associate's degrees selected are degrees that confer REAL SKILLS.
Now note that that's only MONEY MADE
THAT DOESN'T EVEN TALK ABOUT STUDENT LOAN DEBT
Can you imagine how vastly different the picture is when you factor that in?

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Take me for example... my undergrad teacher taught me a lot about programming and business. I actually developed a fairly successful program back then (and it still sells). Without him I'm not sure if I'd gained the business experience quickly as I did (he was also a business man in his own right).
Oh Programming? You mean, like A REAL SKILL!? Yeah, like I keep saying, time spent learning real skills is not wasted.

But speaking of your business experience, let me guess, all that early experience was before the 2008 crash, right? THE NEW GENERATION ISN'T SO LUCKY. THE POSSIBILIY THAT ANYONE WILL HIRE ANY OF US TO GET THAT EXPERIENCE IN THE FIRST PLACE IS NIL. THERE ARE NO JOBS AND BECAUSE OF ****S LIKE YOU WHO ENCOURAGED EVERYONE TO PILE ON DEBT, WHETHER IT'S HOUSE DEBT OR STUDENT DEBT

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I learned a LOT in my MBA program
If you really did, you could have explained concisely very early on exactly what you learned, instead of the vague platitudes you initially posted. If you feel like you did, it's because you're not very bright, and just easily go with the flow and absorb cultural memes like a sponge and spit them back out.
Any real skill or knowledge that someone has can be explained in a 50 word or less sentence that has no ambiguity or vagueness.


And I can see you didn't address what I said about companies using college degrees as a simple, cheap, and stupid way of vetting people. Again, just because someone uses it, doesn't mean it's actually a good measure of skills and knowledge. In other words, lots of people can be stupid. Really what they want is mindless corporate drones, so those letters after the name work for them. Then again, there are tons of companies that parasitise off all the fake money and legally re-shuffled money that our economy has, companies that don't really produce anything.

2,000 years ago, the Chinese used tests to see who deserved to be government administrators, they tested them to see their knowledge, to see if they "knew" that whooping cough could be cured by ginseng or that the world was started on the back of a turtle or whatever. The ancient Romans hired the best Greek teachers by testing if they "knew" that the planets revolved around the stationary Earth, but sometimes one small loop extra.
It's the same B.S. as all of history, people who want to feel like they're hiring/selecting/finding the best people, and administering tests for the sake of tests. Except now, in the age of science, there's no excuse.
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