Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Economics > Business
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 07-11-2019, 09:23 AM
 
Location: Aurora Denveralis
8,712 posts, read 6,750,398 times
Reputation: 13503

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by oregonwoodsmoke View Post
Most franchises can be copied and started without getting roped into franchise fees. A sub shop is one of them: cold fresh food, a couple of tables, a cold counter, can be opened in a strip mall, decorating is plain, number of employees is low.
You have a point, but what you're really saying here is that if someone has the drive and savvy, they don't need the crutch of a franchise. OTOH, building a fast-food business from scratch is a year of nonstop work even if you have experience, capital, savvy and a measure of luck. The jumpstart provided by a known brand and other positive qualities of a franchise operation can make the difference.

On the gripping hand, though, anyone without 20 years of experience and net worth to burn is probably somewhere between deluded and an idiot to try and break into the field, regardless of method.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 07-12-2019, 08:16 AM
 
Location: Bergen County, NJ
4,027 posts, read 3,628,408 times
Reputation: 5857
You honestly believe someone needs 20 years of experience to run a fast food restaurant?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-12-2019, 02:24 PM
 
5,341 posts, read 14,132,802 times
Reputation: 4699
Quote:
Originally Posted by terracore View Post
The cheapest franchise to open is a Chick-fil-A. Franchise cost is only $10,000 and they pay ALL startup costs: real estate, construction, equipment, everything. Then they lease it to you. So much higher on-going costs. Sound good? They get about 20,000 applications per year and select between 70-80.
And you only get one store which makes the owner really focus on that store's operation.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-12-2019, 02:29 PM
 
Location: Aurora Denveralis
8,712 posts, read 6,750,398 times
Reputation: 13503
Quote:
Originally Posted by HudsonCoNJ View Post
You honestly believe someone needs 20 years of experience to run a fast food restaurant?
Yes.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-12-2019, 02:32 PM
 
106,557 posts, read 108,696,306 times
Reputation: 80058
Quote:
Originally Posted by NJ Brazen_3133 View Post
If you have enough money to buy a franchise, why not just buy a triple net property with a franchisee on it, and collect rent from them?
That is what We owned ..we owned the lease rights on the property, not the property ...we had some really big tenants ..
. The tenants include Allegro Pianos, Faust Pianos, exercise equipment company SBR Multi Sports, franchise bakery Le Pain Quotidien

Last edited by mathjak107; 07-12-2019 at 02:41 PM..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-12-2019, 02:34 PM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
45,319 posts, read 60,489,441 times
Reputation: 60906
Quote:
Originally Posted by mathjak107 View Post
That is what We owned ..we owned the lease rights on the property, not the property ...we had some really big tenants ..
. The tenants include Allegro Pianos, Faust Pianos, exercise equipment purveyor SBR Multi Sports, franchise bakery Le Pain Quotidien
In that case, what is the property owner's benefit? Does he get a cut of your lease?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-12-2019, 02:37 PM
 
106,557 posts, read 108,696,306 times
Reputation: 80058
Quote:
Originally Posted by North Beach Person View Post
In that case, what is the property owner's benefit? Does he get a cut of your lease?
They were compensated decades ago for selling off the lease rights ..it was a long term lease right that went on for 50 years and then reverts back to the co-op which is the 200 Central Park south building . our partnership sold the rights to a developer in 2014 ..I think there is still 13 or 14 years left..

manhattan rents by Central Park soared making these lease rights very valuable.

Ashkenazy group paid 18 million dollars for them when we sold and they had i believe 19 years left. We had a 10% stake.

So just owning lease rights in a hot area can be very lucrative...

Last edited by mathjak107; 07-12-2019 at 02:49 PM..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-13-2019, 09:14 AM
 
Location: Michigan
2,745 posts, read 3,011,249 times
Reputation: 6542
IMO, the $5 footlong failed because they skimped on the fillings, and never even gave you $5 worth of value. There's NO WAY that $5 footlong cost the franchise person $4 to make.

More like $1 from what I've seen at our local Subway places...
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-13-2019, 09:34 AM
 
Location: Aurora Denveralis
8,712 posts, read 6,750,398 times
Reputation: 13503
Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeBear View Post
IMO, the $5 footlong failed because they skimped on the fillings, and never even gave you $5 worth of value. There's NO WAY that $5 footlong cost the franchise person $4 to make.

More like $1 from what I've seen at our local Subway places...
Cost of actual delivered product is a small part of total cost, as you should well know. And in this case, I wouldn't be surprised if franchise/promotion participation costs exceeded that of the sandwich.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-15-2019, 08:22 AM
 
Location: Bergen County, NJ
4,027 posts, read 3,628,408 times
Reputation: 5857
Quote:
Originally Posted by Quietude View Post
Yes.


That’s just being overly conservative. I can’t imagine learning much in year 20 that you didn’t already learn in say, year 5.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Economics > Business

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 09:10 PM.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top