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Old 02-25-2020, 10:34 PM
 
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Actually, it specifically states it is on the menu (where applicable) i.e. 'A fifteen percent gratuity will be added to your bill', lol.
They can call it what ever they want to, but that doesn’t change what it actually is. Words have meaning.

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Definition of gratuity
: something given voluntarily or beyond obligation usually for some service
A tip or gratuity is voluntary, not compulsory.
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Old 02-25-2020, 11:27 PM
 
Location: San Francisco
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They can call it what ever they want to, but that doesn’t change what it actually is. Words have meaning.

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A tip or gratuity is voluntary, not compulsory.
Yes, 'they' call it a gratuity, lol.

Too funny; just pay up (or don't dine out). It's not obligatory (except when the 15% gratuity is added to your bill); that said, it is expected/deserved commensurate with (the quality of) service.
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Old 02-25-2020, 11:39 PM
 
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Yes, 'they' call it a gratuity, lol.

Too funny; just pay up (or don't dine out). It's not obligatory (except when the 15% gratuity is added to your bill); that said, it is expected/deserved commensurate with (the quality of) service.
This is the best critical thinking/analysis you can manage? Really?
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Old 02-25-2020, 11:44 PM
 
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This is the best critical thinking/analysis you can manage? Really?
It's not critical thinking; it's common sense at the most minimalistic level - you're just being cheap. Waitstaff deserve/expect a gratuity commensurate with (the quality of) service.
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Old 02-26-2020, 12:02 AM
 
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It's not critical thinking; it's common sense at the most minimalistic level - you're just being cheap. Waitstaff deserve/expect a gratuity commensurate with (the quality of) service.
Their expectation is irrelevant. They deserve to be fully compensated for their labor. And they are, even with a complete absence of tips. Remember, we are talking about low/no skill jobs that can, and are, done by just about anyone. That is pretty much the essence of minimum wage jobs.
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Old 02-26-2020, 12:13 AM
 
Location: San Francisco
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Their expectation is irrelevant. They deserve to be fully compensated for their labor. And they are, even with a complete absence of tips. Remember, we are talking about low/no skill jobs that can, and are, done by just about anyone. That is pretty much the essence of minimum wage jobs.
It's not irrelevant, because their pay structure is based relative to projected gratuities (which is part of their total compensation and for which they are taxed). There are various levels of waitstaff (and competence); not all are minimum wage jobs.

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Old 02-26-2020, 06:48 AM
 
Location: East of Seattle since 1992, originally from SF Bay Area
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It's not irrelevant, because their pay structure is based relative to projected gratuities (which is part of their total compensation and for which they are taxed). There are various levels of waitstaff (and competence); not all are minimum wage jobs.
Here in Seattle the minimum wage is now $16.39 for the larger employers such as the fine dining restaurants, but also McDonalds and Starbucks. Even smaller companies with under 500 people cannot pay less than $13.50 even for tipped workers. So the waitstaff at a "mom and pop" is making at least $13.50 plus tips.
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Old 02-26-2020, 07:33 AM
 
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It's not irrelevant, because their pay structure is based relative to projected gratuities (which is part of their total compensation and for which they are taxed). There are various levels of waitstaff (and competence); not all are minimum wage jobs.
Lol! Their “pay structure” is minimum wage, which they will receive even in the absence of any gratuities.
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Old 02-26-2020, 08:00 AM
 
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Here in Seattle the minimum wage is now $16.39 for the larger employers such as the fine dining restaurants, but also McDonalds and Starbucks. Even smaller companies with under 500 people cannot pay less than $13.50 even for tipped workers. So the waitstaff at a "mom and pop" is making at least $13.50 plus tips.
Let's be more specific:

Company with >500 workers globally - $16.39/hour

Company with <500 workers globally, non tipped and no health insurance - $15.75

Company with <500 workers globally, with tips and health insurance - $13.50/hr base and $15.75 in total wages, tips, and the value of provided health insurance.
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Old 02-26-2020, 04:33 PM
 
Location: San Francisco
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Their “pay structure” is minimum wage, which they will receive even in the absence of any gratuities.
The point flew right over your head in re: there are different levels of waitstaff in various types of establishments. Obviously, a server at the local hole-in-the-wall is going to make considerably less than a waiter/waitress at a high-end establishment or those who are hired for a special event or party. When we factor in gratuities, we're not discussing union jobs in which everyone receives the same despite (the absence of) competence - and that has the tendency to make some people lose their minds. Better waitstaff will earn more (and should).
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