U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Covid-19 Information Page
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Economics > Business
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 02-23-2020, 09:21 AM
 
21,048 posts, read 15,264,541 times
Reputation: 16321

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by kapikap View Post
Them blue truck guys do get paid $15 per hour,might as well be minimum wage. No uniform, some wear a jacket. Doubt they get benefits.

So let amazon kill the sears of this country, and now let's kill the delivery services too!

Would have thiugh a union would have stopped this from happening. A big giant rat needs to be hung somewhere?.

And amazon wants to buy whole foods too.

Sears killed sears so let’s not try to blame shift
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 02-23-2020, 10:20 AM
 
Location: Staten Island, NY
689 posts, read 135,993 times
Reputation: 732
Quote:
Originally Posted by CorporateCowboy View Post
Amazon bought a fleet of about 20,000 Mercedes Sprinter vans in 2018. Amazon DOES own the vans in re: the 'Delivery Service Partners' program, as you describe - approved enterpreneurs lease, fuel and receive insurance (at a reduced rate) and essentially operate their own delivery service in 'partnership' with Amazon.
That's inaccurate. Amazon isn't doing its own lease to own program.
They did buy Tractors for linehaul. They are having a hard time finding butts for the seats so they are still using contractor models. I saw a UPS truck pulling an Amazon trailer the other day.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-23-2020, 11:09 AM
 
Location: San Francisco
3,962 posts, read 1,045,824 times
Reputation: 2371
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hammer Time View Post
That's inaccurate. Amazon isn't doing its own lease to own program.
They did buy Tractors for linehaul. They are having a hard time finding butts for the seats so they are still using contractor models. I saw a UPS truck pulling an Amazon trailer the other day.
I didn't say it was a 'lease to own' program, lol; I said it was part of the 20,000 Mercedes Sprinter van fleet purchased by Amazon. They still have contractual ownership as to what is delivered via the vans per the 'Delivery Services Partners' program. In other words, approved enterpreneurs may take on other deliveries (for other companies) as part of their business, but not via the branded vans.

Do you know anyone who is going to start a business by investing in five Mercedes vans (the initial number which is required as outlined per the program). It's common sense, if nothing else. In actuality, to my knowledge, it only costs aspiring enterpreneurs who wish to become part of the program an initial investment of $10,000 (or thereabouts).
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-23-2020, 11:44 AM
 
2,202 posts, read 1,100,515 times
Reputation: 4240
You do know there are other shippers out there? Walmart delivers, then you have ebay. You have Overstock, Wayfair and other home goods stores. Then you have regular businesses who ship items to their customers daily. I think they will survive.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-23-2020, 12:07 PM
 
2,486 posts, read 507,978 times
Reputation: 986
Quote:
Originally Posted by kapikap View Post
Them blue truck guys do get paid $15 per hour,might as well be minimum wage. No uniform, some wear a jacket. Doubt they get benefits.

So let amazon kill the sears of this country, and now let's kill the delivery services too!

Would have thiugh a union would have stopped this from happening. A big giant rat needs to be hung somewhere?.

And amazon wants to buy whole foods too.
Amazon bought Whole Foods more than two and a half years ago.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-23-2020, 04:46 PM
 
21,048 posts, read 15,264,541 times
Reputation: 16321
Quote:
Originally Posted by NorthofHere View Post
You do know there are other shippers out there? Walmart delivers, then you have ebay. You have Overstock, Wayfair and other home goods stores. Then you have regular businesses who ship items to their customers daily. I think they will survive.
How many of those business that “ship” also handle the delivery of said goods?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-26-2020, 08:15 AM
 
5,265 posts, read 2,976,669 times
Reputation: 5811
Amazon did not buy the blue vans. They are working with a third party leasing company to manage the vehicles and lease them to independent contractors who want to deliver for Amazon. Amazon wants no part in owning the vehicles.

Start up costs for the contractor is $10K investment and $30K in liquid assets.

FedEx Ground (as well as line haul and Custom Critical) is a similar setup - all their delivery vans and trucks are leased by outside companies to the contractor.

UPS and FedEx Express are the only "employee" operations where the company owns the vehicles and the drivers are all employees.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-26-2020, 05:27 PM
 
Location: San Francisco
3,962 posts, read 1,045,824 times
Reputation: 2371
Quote:
Originally Posted by robr2 View Post
Amazon did not buy the blue vans. They are working with a third party leasing company to manage the vehicles and lease them to independent contractors who want to deliver for Amazon. Amazon wants no part in owning the vehicles.
Amazon acquired the vans (and branded/customized them). Amazon retains 'contractual ownership' i.e. they control what is delivered via the vans/how they are used (meaning, nothing other than Amazon packages) - as well as contractual timelines for acquiring more. The 'drivers' are required to be full-time workers as well so that it is one enterpreneur (operating a small business) per five vans (to start). This is different, technically speaking, than an 'independent contractor' (as Amazon has control of how the work will be finished in terms of the vans, uniforms, and even the small business owner's employees who must be provided insurance and so on).
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-26-2020, 05:52 PM
 
Location: San Francisco
3,962 posts, read 1,045,824 times
Reputation: 2371
Quote:
Originally Posted by Electrician4you View Post
Unless Amazon is going to start delivering my package with my item to a address I send to, all they are doing is delivering their own product ordered through their website
Per the Wall Street Journal, this is coming (though it's been in the works for a couple of years, specifically in LA, in re: third-party sellers on Amazon). SWA will initially launch a delivery service for businesses positioning it to compete directly with FedEx and UPS.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-15-2020, 04:02 AM
 
672 posts, read 219,637 times
Reputation: 1140
Quote:
Originally Posted by kapikap View Post
Them blue truck guys do get paid $15 per hour,might as well be minimum wage. No uniform, some wear a jacket. Doubt they get benefits.

So let amazon kill the sears of this country, and now let's kill the delivery services too!

Would have thiugh a union would have stopped this from happening. A big giant rat needs to be hung somewhere?.

And amazon wants to buy whole foods too.
sears killed itself.
if you were older you would have complained about sears killing other small businesses.
you couldn't have picked a worse example than sears to complain about.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:

Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Economics > Business
Similar Threads
Follow City-Data.com founder on our Forum or

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 11:07 PM.

© 2005-2020, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top