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Old 07-02-2020, 03:50 PM
 
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Well, vehicles today are electronically complex and are getting more features by the day. A lot of this will involve good software development which leads to more white collar jobs.
Also, robots are good at doing the same repetitive task. They do not have a good tendency to spot specific anomalies and fix them. Humans are necessary for those purposes.
The F150 plants have thousands of employees, and not all are line workers. We have engineers to sequence the line, reprogram the robots, check the vehicle for error codes indicating electrical issues, and so much more.

So they lay off thousands of assembly line employees and hire couple dozen extra engineers. Yep that will work to even employment figures..... NOT!


Hiring a few more high end people like engineers is not going to replace jobs of all those line workers. They will be out working McD and taking in each others laundry and serving each other food at hole in wall restaurant. But wait McD is automating as is Walmart. So even those low end jobs going bye bye.


Eventually get to where one 1%r person is selling fleets of cars to other 1%rs. Nobody else has money or a job.....

 
Old 07-02-2020, 03:56 PM
 
Location: western NY
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No

But why haven't the prices gone down???

Let me offer a suggestion.....first of all, back when cars were $4500, the average worker made $9-10K per year. Today, I believe that welfare pays better than that. (which is insane, but that's a totally different topic)

Furthermore, "back then", an automatic transmission was an option, at extra cost....so were power brakes, power steering, power door locks, air conditioning, cruise control, and tinted glass. Anti-lock brakes were still being developed, and a stereo?? That was something you had in your house!

All that "stuff" that people today take for granted, was all "optional" in the "good old days" that people long for, and EASILY doubled the price of the car, back then.

Still want to complain about cars being expensive?
 
Old 07-02-2020, 04:06 PM
 
Location: East of Seattle since 1992, originally from SF Bay Area
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In 2018 only 12,688,000 people were working in manufacturing, that's just about 7% of the total workers (161,037,000). It's the service industry (hotels, restaurants) with 129,142,000 workers that are by far the most common jobs with 80%, and would be the most affected by automation of their jobs. We have already seen that start with self-order and pay kiosks in restaurants. Watch out for when robots are available to clean toilets and change linens.


https://www.bls.gov/emp/tables/emplo...try-sector.htm
 
Old 07-02-2020, 04:42 PM
 
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But why haven't the prices gone down???

Let me offer a suggestion.....first of all, back when cars were $4500, the average worker made $9-10K per year. Today, I believe that welfare pays better than that. (which is insane, but that's a totally different topic)

Furthermore, "back then", an automatic transmission was an option, at extra cost....so were power brakes, power steering, power door locks, air conditioning, cruise control, and tinted glass. Anti-lock brakes were still being developed, and a stereo?? That was something you had in your house!

All that "stuff" that people today take for granted, was all "optional" in the "good old days" that people long for, and EASILY doubled the price of the car, back then.

Still want to complain about cars being expensive?
Supply and demand
The supply has fallen because workers are not working to build cars
Ergo dealers are holding on to the ones they have in stock and want to cover their “nut” as the guys in GoodFellas say
 
Old 07-02-2020, 06:42 PM
 
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Supply and demand
The supply has fallen because workers are not working to build cars
Ergo dealers are holding on to the ones they have in stock and want to cover their “nut” as the guys in GoodFellas say
Exactly...not rocket science, people:

Demand drops 35%

Supply drops 60%

Yet people wonder why some vehicles are in short supply and prices are holding firm??????
 
Old 07-02-2020, 09:47 PM
 
Location: Riverside Ca
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https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a3...2020-pandemic/


GM: Sales Down 34 Percent, Blazer Did Well

Honda/Acura: Cars Down 26 Percent, Trucks Did Better

Mazda: Down 9.6 Percent, but New CX-30 Was Strong

Nissan/Infiniti: Down Almost 50 Percent

Subaru Down 25 Percent, but Forester Has Best June Ever

Toyota/Lexus: Mirai and Sienna Saw Biggest Drops
Hellllooooo......our economy is shut down. What do you think is gonna happen?
 
Old Yesterday, 08:03 AM
 
Location: Niceville, FL
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Subaru's chronic tight inventory situation hurts them here because they did not have two months of cars on lots when they went into a two month shutdown. It seems like it's becoming rare for the turbo Outbacks to actually make it to the sales parking lot- I'm guessing about 80% of them are getting snapped up sight unseen and un-testdriven while 'in transit' and the ones that make it to the lot often have undesirable aspects like black leather. (I really don't want black leather in a Florida car, vented seats or not) I suspect a lot of their Forrester sales were people who had originally wanted an Outback but decided the Forrester on hand would be good enough after all.
 
Old Yesterday, 08:04 AM
 
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Subarus probably in one of the best situations compared to any other automaker. Demand continues to exceed supply. look for the new Crosstrek this fall with newer engine and updates to only further demand along with the current Forester.


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Subaru's chronic tight inventory situation hurts them here because they did not have two months of cars on lots when they went into a two month shutdown. It seems like it's becoming rare for the turbo Outbacks to actually make it to the sales parking lot- I'm guessing about 80% of them are getting snapped up sight unseen and un-testdriven while 'in transit' and the ones that make it to the lot often have undesirable aspects like black leather. (I really don't want black leather in a Florida car, vented seats or not) I suspect a lot of their Forrester sales were people who had originally wanted an Outback but decided the Forrester on hand would be good enough after all.
 
Old Yesterday, 08:13 AM
 
Location: Boston
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DOW up 18% in second quarter, 5 million new jobs in June, life is good for those with skills.
 
Old Yesterday, 08:15 AM
 
Location: Way up high
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Subarus probably in one of the best situations compared to any other automaker. Demand continues to exceed supply. look for the new Crosstrek this fall with newer engine and updates to only further demand along with the current Forester.
Hopefully they finally fixed the internal oil burning issue they've had for years...
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