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Old 07-29-2010, 10:11 PM
 
Location: southern california
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boycotts are ineffective. as to the feds, shameless behavior. they refuse to enforce the immigration laws, they punish those who do. mccain is a real hero.
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Old 07-29-2010, 10:33 PM
 
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Originally Posted by nmnita View Post
Sure they do, when it serves a liberal view on things. There was a time, like with unions, ACLU served well and were a blessing, but they have overstepped their bounds.

Nita
Just a few "liberal views" defended by the ACLU:

[a high school student's anti-abortion speech]
ACLU-NJ Defends Anti-Abortion Student's Free Speech :: ACLU of New Jersey

[Christians protesting gay rights]
http://www.aclufl.org/pdfs/StPeteLetter.pdf

[the right to open-carry in Colorado]
ACLU Defends Open Carry in Colorado - Arkansas Carry

[a nurse who had been penalized for wearing a Christian cross on her uniform]
ACLU Press Release: 03-09-98 -- Lawsuit Settled for Missouri Nurse Penalized for Wearing Religious Pin

[a student wearing an anti-Islam shirt]
Ban on Anti-Islam T-Shirts in Alachua County Schools Prompts ACLU Lawsuit

[an inmate's right to religious services and materials]
ACLU of Louisiana Protects Religious Liberty for All

[a man who's legally registered/owned firearm was seized by law enforcement]
ACLU petitions court in favor of man's 2nd Amendment rights, conservatives are baffled - Facepunch

[a U.S. Marine who criticized President Obama]
Marine's Anti-Obama Facebook Comments Fuel Free Speech Debate

[joined the NRA in defending a Texas man carrying a firearm in his vehicle]
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/05/us...719&ei=5087%0A

[the right to privacy of Rush Limbaugh]

FOXNews.com - ACLU Comes to Rush Limbaugh's Defense - Celebrity Gossip | Entertainment News | Arts And Entertainment

There are many, many more examples defending viewpoints that would not be described as "liberal". The reason you think the ACLU only defends "liberal views" is that Fox News and the rest of the conservatati bleat for months on end when the ACLU defends someone they think shouldn't be defended, but do you think Sean Hannity would ever mention the ACLU defending a conservative?

Don't hold your breath...

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Old 07-29-2010, 11:05 PM
 
Location: Pasadena
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boycotts are ineffective. as to the feds, shameless behavior. they refuse to enforce the immigration laws, they punish those who do. mccain is a real hero.
I can't believe anyone would consider McCain a hero since he has totally flip flopped on just about everything he use to support in order to win in this coming election. McCain was one of the strongest advocates of an open border and providing citizenship for illegals. But "changed" his mind when the political winds scared him. McCain has lost so much respect that even people in Arizona consider him a coward and phony.
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Old 07-29-2010, 11:22 PM
 
Location: Yucaipa, California
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I often wonder if anyone other then c-d members read the threads on this website. Maybe if the politicians did they would learn from it. I highly doubt it though.
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Old 07-29-2010, 11:22 PM
 
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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Originally Posted by Voyageur View Post
Just a few "liberal views" defended by the ACLU:

[a high school's student anti-abortion speech]
ACLU-NJ Defends Anti-Abortion Student's Free Speech :: ACLU of New Jersey

[Christians protesting gay rights]
http://www.aclufl.org/pdfs/StPeteLetter.pdf

[the right to open-carry in Colorado]
ACLU Defends Open Carry in Colorado - Arkansas Carry

[a nurse who had been penalized for wearing a Christian cross on her uniform]
ACLU Press Release: 03-09-98 -- Lawsuit Settled for Missouri Nurse Penalized for Wearing Religious Pin

[a student wearing an anti-Islam shirt]
Ban on Anti-Islam T-Shirts in Alachua County Schools Prompts ACLU Lawsuit

[an inmate's right to religious services and materials]
ACLU of Louisiana Protects Religious Liberty for All

[a man who's legally registered/owned firearm was seized by law enforcement]
ACLU petitions court in favor of man's 2nd Amendment rights, conservatives are baffled - Facepunch

[a U.S. Marine who criticized President Obama]
Marine's Anti-Obama Facebook Comments Fuel Free Speech Debate

[joined the NRA in defending a Texas man carrying a firearm in his vehicle]
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/05/us...719&ei=5087%0A

[the right to privacy of Rush Limbaugh]

FOXNews.com - ACLU Comes to Rush Limbaugh's Defense - Celebrity Gossip | Entertainment News | Arts And Entertainment

There are many, many more examples defending viewpoints that would not be described as "liberal". The reason you think the ACLU only defends "liberal views" is that Fox News and the rest of the conservatati bleat for months on end when the ACLU defends someone they think shouldn't be defended, but do you think Sean Hannity would ever mention the ACLU defending a conservative?

Don't hold your breath...
Talk about having ones ass handed to them!
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Old 07-29-2010, 11:28 PM
 
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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I can't believe anyone would consider McCain a hero since he has totally flip flopped on just about everything he use to support in order to win in this coming election. McCain was one of the strongest advocates of an open border and providing citizenship for illegals. But "changed" his mind when the political winds scared him. McCain has lost so much respect that even people in Arizona consider him a coward and phony.
Sorry for this but anyone who's inspired by John McCain was probably inspired by their high school English teacher! A hero? Really? Yes he's flipped-flopped. He's also one of those that preach about family values but conveniently leaves out the fact that he left his dying wife for a young model. Yeah that's a real freaking hero for ya

Sorry Cal Sur to use your response but I figured I'd add my two cents on this one. I too can't believe any sensible person would ever say such a thing
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Old 07-29-2010, 11:47 PM
 
Location: Pasadena
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I used to admire McCain but he became so blatantly opportunistic when he ran for president that many people didn't recognize him. Now McCain is a total sell out to anything that will get him votes. But his wife, Cindy, is a class act and a fox as well.
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Old 07-30-2010, 05:20 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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Of-course, you know everything. How did I forget that? I also greatly admire Franklin Roosevelt and suppose you know all about him too. I think you are just embarrassed that the Republican party has moved so far to the right than even Ronald Reagan would not be welcomed anymore and there is plenty of of evidence to back that up. But I don't blame you nmnita for trying your hardest to not beleive that your political party has gone into such an orbit that Reagan is probably turning over in his grave.
When it comes to Reagan, I certainly do know more than you could ever know. I will leave it at that.

Do I know everything? Of course not, but in this case I do.

Oh, I am not embarrassed at all, anymore than you are embarrassed with the Democrats. I am slightly more open minded than you.

Nita
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Old 07-30-2010, 09:38 AM
 
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That's why illegals should be legalized so they can start paying taxes and share in the hospital tab.

BTW, health care is my profession. I live in a lily white area of Illinois. The vast majority of deadbeats who show up in the ER or in the office and don't pay their bills are whites. Perhaps I should ask them next time to produce their birth certificates and US passports. For all I know, they could all be illegals. My bad!
That's because the feds pay for the illegals.
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Old 07-30-2010, 10:27 AM
 
Location: Santa Barbara
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Actually, you know sometime I agree. Lets just open ALL borders and not have any resident status. We can take all refugees from all countries. We will do exactly as "The New Colossus" states at the Liberty National Monument:

"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,

The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"


Lets see how long we are able to continue our form of government...
mmmm, isn't that how your predecessors got here?

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The illegals are costing the tax payers of ca 20 billion dollars a yr. The ca deficit is 20 billion. Do the math.
This is just nonsense.

Here is a statistic for you. The value of Agriculture in California is about 36 billion a year. About 80% are illegals. 80% of 36 billion is roughly, 29 billion dollars.

So, even if your figure was correct, which no responsible research indicates anything like that, Illegals contribute a net gain of 9 billion bucks a year to California.
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