Court Stops Arizona Law\ California Vindicated (cost, dangerous, vs)

[Highnlite]

and you still will not have to prove anything unless there is serious reason to doubt your citicenship. Add to that, we didn't create the problem, it was created by not cracking down years ago, now we will all have to suffer to some degree.

Your first sentence is not correct, read the law, as for your second, Ben Franklin said, "those who are willing to give up freedom for security, deserve neither".

[Gentoo]

Originally Posted by Highnlite

Your first sentence is not correct, read the law, as for your second, Ben Franklin said, "those who are willing to give up freedom for security, deserve neither".

The "real Americans" always seem to conveniently ignore the "real America"

[nmnita]

Originally Posted by californio sur

Of-course, you know everything. How did I forget that? I also greatly admire Franklin Roosevelt and suppose you know all about him too. I think you are just embarrassed that the Republican party has moved so far to the right than even Ronald Reagan would not be welcomed anymore and there is plenty of of evidence to back that up. But I don't blame you nmnita for trying your hardest to not beleive that your political party has gone into such an orbit that Reagan is probably turning over in his grave.

I cetainly do not know everything, more than you, probably and I am more open minded, but I will tell you I know more about Reagan than you could ever know. We will leave it at that.

Nita

[AwayAndBackToSac]

Originally Posted by californio sur

Of-course, you know everything. How did I forget that? I also greatly admire Franklin Roosevelt and suppose you know all about him too. I think you are just embarrassed that the Republican party has moved so far to the right than even Ronald Reagan would not be welcomed anymore and there is plenty of of evidence to back that up. But I don't blame you nmnita for trying your hardest to not beleive that your political party has gone into such an orbit that Reagan is probably turning over in his grave.

I dislike both political parties, but I've heard this "quote" before. Can you cite references? ...Are you saying Reagan would support a different political party today, and if so, which one?

I might add, that if you look back, likely JFK would not be a present day Democrat.

[AwayAndBackToSac]

Originally Posted by Highnlite

mmmm, isn't that how your predecessors got here?

Interestingly, there were no social services then... and Taxation was much less...

hmmm.


The country has changed. Also, this was just a bloody poem, NOT immigration policy, no matter how we like to romanticize the past.

[Brenda-by-the-sea]

"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

Originally Posted by Highnlite

mmmm, isn't that how your predecessors got here?

I have no objection to those who seek permission to come in through the "golden door." It's those who sneak in under the back fence that we need to worry about.

[Highnlite]

I have no objection to those who seek permission to come in through the "golden door." It's those who sneak in under the back fence that we need to worry about.

Let me ask you a question, or two. Do you know any Chinese Americans, ?

Do you feel that these groups should be allowed into America?

Of course you do, yet for 61 years 1882-1943 it was against the law for Chinese to come to America.

The same derogatory statements made about Mexicans today were made about the Chinese then.

A curious fact, but true.

So, another question, you being rational and all would have opposed the Chinese Exclusion Act and would have been in favor of Chinese immigration.

If you had found a Chinese who had snuck into the country, you would have protected him from immigration?

Or would you have stood by the immoral law and turned him in?


So today, based on the same baseless arguments, we have a whole 'nother class of illegals, which you are quite happy to toss out.

It's those who sneak in under the back fence that we need to worry about

Ah yes, we need to worry, just like the good red blooded white Americans of the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries worried about "the yellow peril".

[Brenda-by-the-sea]

Trying to blur the clear distinction between rule-of-law behavior and ethnicity is the last refuge of those who dabble in apologetic sophistry. Fortunately, only a small percentage of Americans are bone-headed enough to indulge it. The Race Card has been pulled out way too many times and its Red Herring borders are all too visible.

If you saw a gun-toting prowler whom you believed to be Hispanic trying to break into your house at night, would you call the police or would you just go back to bed and celebrate diversity?

[Gentoo]

Originally Posted by Brenda-by-the-sea

Trying to blur the clear distinction between rule-of-law behavior and ethnicity is the last refuge of those who dabble in apologetic sophistry. Fortunately, only a small percentage of Americans are bone-headed enough to indulge it. The Race Card has been pulled out way too many times and its Red Herring borders are all too visible.

If you saw a gun-toting prowler whom you believed to be Hispanic trying to break into your house at night, would you call the police or would you just go back to bed and celebrate diversity?

This comparison is disturbingly irrelevant.

[slo1318]

Originally Posted by Highnlite

Let me ask you a question, or two. Do you know any Chinese Americans, ?

Do you feel that these groups should be allowed into America?

Of course you do, yet for 61 years 1882-1943 it was against the law for Chinese to come to America.

The same derogatory statements made about Mexicans today were made about the Chinese then.

A curious fact, but true.

So, another question, you being rational and all would have opposed the Chinese Exclusion Act and would have been in favor of Chinese immigration.

If you had found a Chinese who had snuck into the country, you would have protected him from immigration?

Or would you have stood by the immoral law and turned him in?

So today, based on the same baseless arguments, we have a whole 'nother class of illegals, which you are quite happy to toss out.

Ah yes, we need to worry, just like the good red blooded white Americans of the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries worried about "the yellow peril".

What? Mexicans are allowed to immigrate, always have been.