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Now this is when I agree with those who are harder on the illegal issue. I have problems with that too and while I do not agree with AZ. way of doing things, I agree with everything else including this statement. Sorry Cal Sur but even you have to admit that this isn't right.
First off, it is a crime and I mean that literally that any American can not get health care [including dental, vision, mental health] as every modern nation [meaning Canada, Japan, all of Europe, etc] provide to their citizens. Any attempt to assist Americans with this most basic of human services is blocked by Republicans who call it "socialism." If congress becomes a Republican-majority in November, they will try to undo what little has been done to health care legislation. Another reason the Republicans are called "anti-American" and there are many more examples.
Second, I have never heard of undocumented being provided health services other than walking into an emergency room when they are just about dead and being provided help.
Eagle7 can likely qualify for Medi-Cal however and that would assist him. Plus if he is a veteran he should already have pretty good health insurance.
Second, I have never heard of undocumented being provided health services other than walking into an emergency room when they are just about dead and being provided help.
Eagle7 can likely qualify for Medi-Cal however and that would assist him. Plus if he is a veteran he should already have pretty good health insurance.
I've seen many who treat the emergency room like a family doctor and take themselves and their children there for a sniffle.
Being a veteran does not automatically get you availability to VA medical benefits. There's a pecking order and you could die waiting for your number to come up. Since I don't have a service-related disability I could wait forever.
First off, it is a crime and I mean that literally that any American can not get health care [including dental, vision, mental health] as every modern nation [meaning Canada, Japan, all of Europe, etc] provide to their citizens. Any attempt to assist Americans with this most basic of human services is blocked by Republicans who call it "socialism." If congress becomes a Republican-majority in November, they will try to undo what little has been done to health care legislation. Another reason the Republicans are called "anti-American" and there are many more examples.
Second, I have never heard of undocumented being provided health services other than walking into an emergency room when they are just about dead and being provided help.
Eagle7 can likely qualify for Medi-Cal however and that would assist him. Plus if he is a veteran he should already have pretty good health insurance.
You are poorly informed.
Do you know the quality of dental care that is provided in the UK?
Really?
In the US, if this man needs dental care, he can get it. A "bad tooth" can be extracted for very little money. He has to make decisions... Maybe not eat out for a month, not have cable for a couple month, or lay off some vice...
In the US, most basic health care has been provided for a long time, and will be for some time, free of charge (if you choose not to pay), in a local ER. If you are sick enough, you will be seen in an ER. Generally, you will also be seen in follow up once. ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS get this health care, and more if the pay out of pocket.
In the US, as a Vet, he will only get Dental Care if he is service connected.
You need a few more years of experience before you spout off, running around inciting... It does not aid in your credibility.
"Socialized Health Care" is "Socialized". For the simplistic illnesses, I will admit it is sometimes better. For anything advanced or complicated, "Socialized Medicine" is far worse than what we have here. When the US goes to a form of two tier system, which likely we will for a time, your "Medicine for All" will be the worst you have experienced...
First off, it is a crime and I mean that literally that any American can not get health care [including dental, vision, mental health] as every modern nation [meaning Canada, Japan, all of Europe, etc] provide to their citizens. Any attempt to assist Americans with this most basic of human services is blocked by Republicans who call it "socialism." If congress becomes a Republican-majority in November, they will try to undo what little has been done to health care legislation. Another reason the Republicans are called "anti-American" and there are many more examples.
Second, I have never heard of undocumented being provided health services other than walking into an emergency room when they are just about dead and being provided help.
Eagle7 can likely qualify for Medi-Cal however and that would assist him. Plus if he is a veteran he should already have pretty good health insurance.
First of all, like I said to Curmudgeon, I have an issue with accusing anyone of not being a "real American" although you used different words. I don't care much for republicans either but I'll leave it at that.
The second, what you said about emergency rooms having illegals who are close to death is not true. They use emergency rooms in much the same way we do although admittedly is perhaps slightly less due to the fear of being caught.
The other thing is, maybe eagle can qualify for medi-cal. That's beside the point, the point is, if you're undocumented and get health care in the US, a bill is never sent to you like it would be for you or I if we get health care without insurance. This leaves us to make up the loss when we pay our bills.
First of all, like I said to Curmudgeon, I have an issue with accusing anyone of not being a "real American" although you used different words. I don't care much for republicans either but I'll leave it at that.
The second, what you said about emergency rooms having illegals who are close to death is not true. They use emergency rooms in much the same way we do although admittedly is perhaps slightly less due to the fear of being caught.
The other thing is, maybe eagle can qualify for medi-cal. That's beside the point, the point is, if you're undocumented and get health care in the US, a bill is never sent to you like it would be for you or I if we get health care without insurance. This leaves us to make up the loss when we pay our bills.
Anyone who is treated in an emergency room will get a bill regardless of how poor a person may be or their legal status. There is no free health care service in America unless a person goes to charity places [Salvation Army type organizations] and waits a year for dental care. Illegal immigrants are billed for whatever health services they receive just like everyone else. In-fact there was a segment on CNN addressing the abhorrent lack of health services for all poor people in America.
Curmudgeon is a vet, so he would know about VA services but that is just another example of how we treat our own citizens inhumanly. That a soldier who fought and perhaps was injured for our nation is denied life-long medical care is a crime and the blood is on the hands of Republicans. Remember when the votes come up for extending health services for vets. Who votes yes and who votes no? Republicans vote NO! Yet have no problem spending exorbitant amounts of tax money to fund these ridiculous wars that Bush failed to win!
I have a VERY bad tooth & its gonna cost a bundle to remove plus im out of work. I was born & raised here in the usa & served my country yet i cant get free dental care but the illegals can.
Why do you lie? There's no such thing as "free dental care" for illegals.
Anyone who is treated in an emergency room will get a bill regardless of how poor a person may be or their legal status. There is no free health care service in America unless a person goes to charity places [Salvation Army type organizations] and waits a year for dental care. Illegal immigrants are billed for whatever health services they receive just like everyone else. In-fact there was a segment on CNN addressing the abhorrent lack of health services for all poor people in America.
Curmudgeon is a vet, so he would know about VA services but that is just another example of how we treat our own citizens inhumanly. That a soldier who fought and perhaps was injured for our nation is denied life-long medical care is a crime and the blood is on the hands of Republicans. Remember when the votes come up for extending health services for vets. Who votes yes and who votes no? Republicans vote NO! Yet have no problem spending exorbitant amounts of tax money to fund these ridiculous wars that Bush failed to win!
First, I agree with everything you said in the second paragraph
However, we're still at odds in the first one. Just because an illegal is billed doesn't mean they will pay. Often, they have no means to pay and can always go back to their home country in many cases. That means many bills will not be paid. It cost about 13,000 dollars to be transported in an ambulance (that was in 2002 when I knew a girl who was, I'm sure it must cost more now). What happens when someone who is undocumented receives this care and then disappears? We pick up the tab.
First, I agree with everything you said in the second paragraph
However, we're still at odds in the first one. Just because an illegal is billed doesn't mean they will pay. Often, they have no means to pay and can always go back to their home country in many cases. That means many bills will not be paid. It cost about 13,000 dollars to be transported in an ambulance (that was in 2002 when I knew a girl who was, I'm sure it must cost more now). What happens when someone who is undocumented receives this care and then disappears? We pick up the tab.
Yes, that is true. But many illegals do pay if they have a job since they get billed like anyone else. If the person is a transient and has no address than the hospital can not find them but they make every effort to find anyone who owes the hospital and the bills are incredibly high. Why do you think so many people file bankruptcy? Medical costs are the number one reason that eventually put people into huge debt. The issue of illegals and health services is actually the other way around. There is concern that illegals avoid going to hospitals out of fear of being reported to ICE and they may go untreated for diseases that can be contagious to others like tuberculosis.
Anyway this thread really isn't about health care but since we are on the subject; the priorities in America are ass backwards. That we allow people like children to not be cared for properly is a scandal. Europeans look aghast at America; the most wealthy nation on earth yet denies its own citizens basic medical care is beyond criminal. And of-course, we know who the people are who continue to treat Americans so poorly: Republicans.
Yes, that is true. But many illegals do pay if they have a job since they get billed like anyone else. If the person is a transient and has no address than the hospital can not find them but they make every effort to find anyone who owes the hospital and the bills are incredibly high. Why do you think so many people file bankruptcy? Medical costs are the number one reason that eventually put people into huge debt. The issue of illegals and health services is actually the other way around. There is concern that illegals avoid going to hospitals out of fear of being reported to ICE and they may go untreated for diseases that can be contagious to others like tuberculosis.
Anyway this thread really isn't about health care but since we are on the subject; the priorities in America are ass backwards. That we allow people like children to not be cared for properly is a scandal. Europeans look aghast at America; the most wealthy nation on earth yet denies its own citizens basic medical care is beyond criminal. And of-course, we know who the people are who continue to treat Americans so poorly: Republicans.
Do you realize that everything you said in your first paragraph are exactly the reasons so many people, including most in this thread, take such exception to the high numbers of illegals, which is why they are willing to support any law? This sentence: There is concern that illegals avoid going to hospitals out of fear of being reported to ICE and they may go untreated for diseases that can be contagious to others like tuberculosis; is exactly why illegals can be a serious threat to all of us. So much is made about crime because people react emotionally without slowing down and thinking. The health issues are a really big concern. Remember in 2004 I believe, when we had a threat of a small pox epidemic? It was all but eradicated in the USA. It had to have come from somewhere...just me speculating here.
No country, not even the USA can allow illegal immigration to go unchecked. Like the others in this thread have said, something most certainly has to be done. I don't care about the ones who may be working and paying taxes. That does not negate the fact that they broke the law. We as Americans could never cross into Canada or Mexico and get a job. We would be detained and at least in Mexico, jailed.
I will reiterate, I don't agree with the AZ law as written. However, the judge blocked those parts of it that were questionable. The judge did not kill the law and likely will not IMO. I think laws like the one being proposed in Fremont Nebraska will become more widespread and gain the most support.
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