Prop 8 overturned (Montclair, Nice: live, law, dangerous)

[18Montclair]

Originally Posted by krudmonk

The will of the people or the wrath of the mob?

Ironic that you would bring up the 'wrath of the mob' because the actions that occurred following the election show exactly which side demonstrated that sort of behavior.

[californio sur]

I bet the Catholic bishops are pissed [along with their Mormon cronies].

[Mike from back east]

Bravo! Way to go!

[krudmonk]

Originally Posted by 18Montclair

Ironic that you would bring up the 'wrath of the mob' because the actions that occurred following the election show exactly which side demonstrated that sort of behavior.

Once again, you condone prodding someone until they react, then criticizing them for doing so....

[Curmudgeon]

Originally Posted by Gentoo

I would agree with this but not this time. This civil rights of a certain group should never be put up to a vote. It was a mistake to have a prop 8 in the first place IMO. Highnlite made a good comparison for the reasons why.

Originally Posted by majoun

CA ballot initiatives, while occasionally resulting in positive change, often result in negative change and more unnecessary state spending without creating new revenue sources, which is one of the major causes of CA's fiscal crisis. This is why any substantive change for the better in California cannot occur until CA gets a new constitution.

Without going point-for-point on Majouns post, let me try to kill two birds with one stone here.

I say that because I have two dogs in this hunt. One is my faith as a Catholic and the other is that a daughter of mine, who I truly love, is a lesbian whose partner my wife and I think the world of. With a foot in each camp I'm truly conflicted.

I've always said that propositions resulting in unfunded mandates are the bane of CA's budgetary realities and an end-run often resorted to by the Legislature so it doesn't have to do its job.

[Fontucky]

Originally Posted by Gentoo

Exacly Fontucky...exactly!

I remember those gas stations with colored restrooms and drinking fountains.

And for you youngsters out there, when I say "colored", I'm not referring to the paint job.

[Gentoo]

Originally Posted by californio sur

I bet the Catholic bishops are pissed [along with their Mormon cronies].

As well as their Protestant cronies.

[Chicago60614]

Welcome back California!

[18Montclair]

Originally Posted by Fontucky

The will of the people shouldn't (via the ballot box) be the determining factor for establishing civil rights.

And neither should the desire of one group to force their way into an institution that belongs to others. Anyway this is all water under the bridge.

Listen, I've given this a lot of thought and by now am willing to accept allowing gay marriage.

My biggest concern is that I don't believe for one minute that churches will be protected as far as being able to marry whomever they want.

And if you all thought Prop 8 was expensive, just wait until you try to force your way into churches. Then you will all know once and for all extent to which we are willing to go to protect our interests.

[Gentoo]

Originally Posted by Curmudgeon

Without going point-for-point on Majouns post, let me try to kill two birds with one stone here.

I say that because I have two dogs in this hunt. One is my faith as a Catholic and the other is a daughter of mine, who I truly love, is a lesbian whose partner my wife and I think the world of. With a foot in each camp I'm truly conflicted.

I thought you were jewish?

Anyway beside the point. I won't talk about my qualms with Roman Catholics or Protestants for that matter. I will say however that as a Roman Catholic, that makes you a Christian and as a Christian, it's not up to us to pass judgment on others nor "play God" on the will of others.

Now I have lots of respect for you putting your family stuff out there like that. I can see why you're conflicted. Beyond that, I cannot say much else to you.