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Old 10-25-2010, 12:11 AM
 
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I dunno about that one. They just closed the auto plant in Fremont a few months back and consolidated to a more business friendly state with lower taxes and labor costs.
Was that the one GM and Toyota owned? I thought someone else reopened it?
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Old 10-25-2010, 12:16 AM
 
Location: where you sip the tea of the breasts of the spinsters of Utica
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Im curious to hear from the locals themselves. I mean...I came from Florida which was similar, but probably not as bad.

I just cant imagine the locals saying how broke their state is, how poor they are, etc. There's got to be someone living good there, right?

I was really considering moving there, but all the talk I've heard over the months scared me away.
It's not that bad yet, but it could get very bad. The problem is that everyone thinks the governor can fix things, that he's some sort of king, but basically nothing can be done to fix the system without an overhaul of the state constitution (because of the supermajority needed to make financial changes such as taxes).

Still, it's better to live here than in some primitive, 3rd world backwaters such as the Dixie states.
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Old 10-25-2010, 12:18 AM
 
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We have to create jobs or we can kiss our society as we know it goodbye. You start creating jobs by creating a business friendly environment instead of anti-business which is currently the plan. A good start would be to cut taxes and business environmental regulations, repeal Obamacare and take the cap and trade off the table. We need to give confidence back to the small business entrepreneurs.
In general I'm for lower taxes and regulations. Aside from not adding more taxes & regulations, I don't think getting rid of useless regulations and lowering taxes won't be anywhere near enough to get us out of the hole.

We desperately need to find a way to lower health care costs and to create a health care system that focuses on preventing the long term chronic illnesses that leat to high blood pressure, heart disease, cancer, stroke, & diabetes. Most incidence of these diseases are preventable. Since 50% of our health care dollars are already spent publicly (and that's before Obamacare kicks in), that would help a lot to rein in state and national budget deficits...as well as create a happier & healthier population.

Neither political party really has any concrete solutions. Even Obama proponents, like Warren Buffett, admitted that Obamacare will do little or nothing to control health care costs.

Of course, ordinary citizens can take matters into their own hands by learning the difference between REAL food and fake food. My parents were in Quebec last September and they remarked on how there were much fewer overweight people there compared to America.

I love this short and simple book on the subject:

http://www.amazon.com/Food-Rules-Eat...7984082&sr=8-1
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Old 10-25-2010, 12:24 AM
 
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We have to create jobs or we can kiss our society as we know it goodbye. You start creating jobs by creating a business friendly environment instead of anti-business which is currently the plan. A good start would be to cut taxes and business environmental regulations, repeal Obamacare and take the cap and trade off the table. We need to give confidence back to the small business entrepreneurs.
Businesses don't need confidence. They need CUSTOMERS!!! They hire when the work is overwhelming for the existing staff.

I have a business in California. Taxes are not bad. I've only met one person who (stupidly) folded up a good business in California because of the taxes. (I tried to tell him, the surest way to cut your taxes is to cut your income, but he wouldn't listen. Moved to a low tax state and damn! Cut his income by 80%!)
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Old 10-25-2010, 12:25 AM
 
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I'd agree to repealing "Obamacare" in a minute if we replaced it with a real, single-payer healthcare program, such as the "Medicare for all" idea, instead of the watered-down bargain-basement plan that was passed to appease the unappeasable Republicans. Single payer would cut our medical bills in half for essentially the same care and provide the same number of jobs, but cost about half as much. But we can't have it because THE GUMMIT.

To the OP: Take your own advice and leave California. We will do fine without you.
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Old 10-25-2010, 12:51 AM
 
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I agree with all of you on healthcare. We need to do something. I would have preferred a single payer system too, or at least a single payer option.

High blood pressure and diabetes are the types of diseases that can be managed. When they are NOT managed, that's when you get expensive problems.
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Old 10-25-2010, 07:33 AM
 
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Businesses don't need confidence. They need CUSTOMERS!!! They hire when the work is overwhelming for the existing staff.

I have a business in California. Taxes are not bad. I've only met one person who (stupidly) folded up a good business in California because of the taxes. (I tried to tell him, the surest way to cut your taxes is to cut your income, but he wouldn't listen. Moved to a low tax state and damn! Cut his income by 80%!)
Potential customers need money to buy your product ...

Consumer confidence is low, everyone is worried they will lose their jobs.

The business environment confidence is low because of current cost and perceived costs under Obama if Cap and Trade gets passed and more job killing bills.

Obamacare is a scam and is only redistribution of wealth and government control of the medical industry. The people that work will pay for the people that don't including all the illegal aliens.
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Old 10-25-2010, 08:25 AM
 
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Was that the one GM and Toyota owned? I thought someone else reopened it?
NUMMI in Fremont was joint owned by GM and Toyota with Toyota vehicle production ahead of GM.

The property was sold to Tesla and last I heard... negotiations are on going for equipment inside.

5000 employees called NUMMI home and reports state another 10,000 ancillary jobs across all segments depended on the Plant for their livelihood.

NUMMI tried to expand on Land held solely for this purpose and met numerous roadblocks... there were also problems with the electric grid and cost of electricity.
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Old 10-25-2010, 08:48 AM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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We have to create jobs or we can kiss our society as we know it goodbye. You start creating jobs by creating a business friendly environment instead of anti-business which is currently the plan. A good start would be to cut taxes and business environmental regulations, repeal Obamacare and take the cap and trade off the table. We need to give confidence back to the small business entrepreneurs.
The cap-n-trade scam is DOA in Washington thank God - but you may be stuck with a state level version in CA. The enviros there are intent on shutting dpwn whats left of the state's economy in the name of fighting anthropogenic global warming - which actually a religion not science.
CA enviros have already put the state's agricultural sector on life support by cutting of water in the San Joaquin valley - now they're working to hit the rest of your state's economy.
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Old 10-25-2010, 01:14 PM
 
Location: SW MO
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CA enviros have already put the state's agricultural sector on life support by cutting of water in the San Joaquin valley...
Well, the enviros gotta make sure they have enough water left to make all that Kool-Aid they drink!
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