Move to Calofornia - Any idea !

[ladoll]

Originally Posted by CarawayDJ

Hmmmm... perhaps we are both right here. Since forums often attract extreme views in spades, I can easily see where the liberal and conservative posters have two different standards with regard to immigration; albeit polar opposites.

The particular post that comes to my mind was posted in the CA forums and had to do with SB1070 and I think there were a lot of other people coming from different forums of this board into the CA one and that could skew things, too. I still have noticed more of a conservative view on this particular board than others, but that particular thread was...something else. LOL

[.highnlite]

ome people must live in la la land. You are nuts if you think Mexico has more liberty than the US. Well....maybe you have a point:

1. Whatever corruption that exists in the US pales in comparison to Mexico. So I guess police and politicians have more liberty to take bribes in Mexico.

2. The drugs cartels are going crazy down there. A mass grave was just found in Acapulco. People are being gunned down frequently. Heck, armed gunman often overtake towns for a day here and there driving around in Jeeps. This has even occurred near the border. Police officials are being executed and their bodies are being mutilated nearly daily. So yeah, the drug cartels definitely have more liberty.

3. Kidnappings are rampant. It's quite a cottage industry in many parts of Mexico. So yeah, you are free to be kidnapped down there.

4. You are also free to be extorted driving along the roads down there by corrupt police.

On another note, Mexico is not suffering from a famine as you would see in Africa. I don't doubt people are coming here to make more money than they can in Mexico. But let's not fool ourselves into thinking the people crossing our border are famine stricken just trying to put food on their plate. They want a better life. That includes making more money and enjoying more liberty. Nothing wrong with that as long as it is done legally. Nothing wrong with them sending money home to help family members either.

But you basically proved my whole point about there being two standards for immigration. I wasn't even attacking Mexican immigrants. I was attacking the people being sarcastic to a non Mexican immigrant. You felt you had to post something because you "perceived" that I was attacking Mexican immigrants.

Where was your post condemning the people who gave the prospective immigrant from the UAE a hard time? Like I said, you proved my point. I don't expect you to realize it though. Bias and intellect cannot exist in the same space at the same time.

Note the difference between your use of the term "liberty" and my use of the term "personal liberty".

You wrote a lot, but basically, you never discussed life in Mexico for the people who live there. I stand by my statement, that there is more personal liberty in Mexico than in the US.
What you do not wish to see is that your life in America is fenced in with rules and regulations that constrain nearly everything you do. You are accustomed to the rules and regulations that constrain you to the point where you are not even aware of them.

If you spent time in Mexico, or a host of other nations that are not strangled by regulatory agencies, you would understand, however, you like many others, give new meaning to the old "know nothing party" As far as Mexico vs the US regarding personal freedom, we can start with the American UBC.

We can move along to, if you are boater you are aware that the US Coast Guard can and will board you at anytime with a checklist of stuff you are required to have, if you don't have it, you are nailed.

These sorts of petty regulators simply do not exist in Mexico.

It really does pay to get out some.

[CarawayDJ]

Originally Posted by .highnlite

Note the difference between your use of the term "liberty" and my use of the term "personal liberty".

You wrote a lot, but basically, you never discussed life in Mexico for the people who live there. I stand by my statement, that there is more personal liberty in Mexico than in the US.
What you do not wish to see is that your life in America is fenced in with rules and regulations that constrain nearly everything you do. You are accustomed to the rules and regulations that constrain you to the point where you are not even aware of them.

If you spent time in Mexico, or a host of other nations that are not strangled by regulatory agencies, you would understand, however, you like many others, give new meaning to the old "know nothing party" As far as Mexico vs the US regarding personal freedom, we can start with the American UBC.

We can move along to, if you are boater you are aware that the US Coast Guard can and will board you at anytime with a checklist of stuff you are required to have, if you don't have it, you are nailed.

These sorts of petty regulators simply do not exist in Mexico.

It really does pay to get out some.

We can agree to disagree. You are basically saying that a lawless society, or a society with fewer laws provides more personal liberty. I see your angle on that, but I do not see how you can ignore the safety consequences of that. Nor can you ignore the rampant corruption in Mexico. Do you really have personal liberty when you are being extorted by police? What about when you need to bribe officials?

As for your boating example... I don't mind if the Coast Guard boards my boat when I'm sailing. The difference between here and Mexico is this:

1. If the USCG boards my boat, I know they are only boarding to check that I have safety equipment on board.

2. If Mexican law enforcement boards my boat, I'm probably being extorted for money. I probably stand a better chance of that happening than I do receiving a valid safety check from the USCG.

3. Or I could just end up dead floating in the water because I got to close to a drug operation. Or perhaps I get kidnapped. Or perhaps they just take my boat and decide to end my life for good measure...