California Poll: More Bad New for GOP (activity, county)

[nmnita]

Originally Posted by californio sur

But how can some people even consider voting for a Republican, honestly? I know young Latinos like myself who view Republicans as the enemy and that kind of thinking is gaining strength. Throw in gay voters and other ethnic groups; the GOP is turning generations of voters against them better than anything the Democrats could have orchestrated. This poll has to be sobering news to the Republican party already reeling from the election.

Tell that to the thousands who voted for the new govenor of NM or who voted for Rubio in Florida.

As I have said, many times before, I can't believe anyone can be so narrow minded as to not beleive there are 2 sides to every story. You seems to overllook, there are gay Republican groups, many gay Jews and Asians, as well as Anlgo-saxon whites. My opinion is: anyone that would cliam to view any party as the enemy is not using their heads or is filled with too much hatred.

Nita

[RCCCB]

Originally Posted by nmnita

Tell that to the thousands who voted for the new govenor of NM or who voted for Rubio in Florida.

As I have said, many times before, I can't believe anyone can be so narrow minded as to not beleive there are 2 sides to every story. You seems to overllook, there are gay Republican groups, many gay Jews and Asians, as well as Anlgo-saxon whites. My opinion is: anyone that would cliam to view any party as the enemy is not using their heads or is filled with too much hatred.

Nita

There is a very good reason why.

Todays Democrats are socialists (everything through the great big government) and Republicans area not.

One party wants lots of freedom and the other wants it's hands in other people's wallets.

Good reason for polarization IMO.

How do you meet in the middle between water and poison?
How much poison is OK?
None, and that is why you have this situation IMO.

[nmnita]

Originally Posted by californio sur

Honestly, I don't think I am so much proud of Democrats as I am in contempt of Republicans. Democrats may not always be the friend but Republicans are the enemy. Those are strong words but I have pointed out numerous times that my feelings toward the Republican party is based on what they have become. Walking into the Reagan Library was almost spiritual to me and made me proud to be an American because as governor and president, Reagan was interested in the important things; he granted amnesty to thousands of Latino immigrants, he forged some of the most progressive environmental laws, he signed human rights legislation, he met with Russia and pledge America to peace, etc [the list goes on]. That is what I want the Republican party to return to instead of their hateful and narrow-minded agenda of dividing Americans and promoting embarrassing anti-science\ pro fundamentalist garbage. I hate to be lead by stupid people and the old Republican party wasn't stupid like it is now.

Sure he met with the Russian leaders and you are saying Pres since have not? What kind of a statement is that? He did not meet with Russia and pledge America to peace: he told them to get their act together or we would blow them off the map. Anmesty? you weren't even alive at that time and obviously do not have a clue why he did that. I can assure you it was meant to be a one time thing and if he were alive today he would be appalled at what has happened in the past 25 years since he signed the bill.

You keep referring to Reagan versus todays Republicans and have absolutely no idea what you are even talking about. If you were old enough to vote when he was the leader of the party, I can pretty well bet you would not have supported him. In your mind he is something different than what he was.

You seem to think you know everything there is to know about many of our past Pres but you were born about the time Clinton was elected, so you experience and knowledge comes strictly from what you read and I am pretty sure you read and absorb only what you want to absorb like many of us. If you haven't lived through the times many of these men served our country you are not as knowlegable as you think you are.

Nita

PS yes, the Reagan library can be an emotional experience.

[nmnita]

Originally Posted by Footballfreak

They aren't hateful bigots

Why do you say that? It is so far from true.

[majoun]

Originally Posted by BluSpark

Those southern Governors all became Republicans once Lyndon Johnson passed the historic civil rights bills of the 1960's.

Robert Byrd WAS a KKK member but so was former Republican Governor of Calif. and Supreme Court justice Earl Warren.

Both men would later repudiate their association with the KKK and as public figures they became staunch supporters of civil rights.

Warren being associated with the KKK is news to me.
Byrd (and Hugo Black, who on the court became a huge supporter of civil rights) derived advantage for starting their political careers from Klan association.

While the Klan was strong in California at one time, it was NEVER strong in Alameda County and there would have been no political advantage to Warren becoming a Klansman.

Warren was indeed bigoted against Asians before WW2 (most California politicians of both parties were) and helped draw up the Japanese-American internment plan as state Attorney General - but he felt genuine guilt and remorse over his role in the Japanese internment program and became a major supporter of civil rights as governor and Chief Justice.
As for Republican bigotry in California - Hiram Johnson, generally considered one of California's greatest and most effective governors and a key figure in CA's old "Bay Area moderate Republican" tradition, was like virtually all California politicians of his era a bigot when it came to Asians. He supported restrictive covenants, anti-miscegenation laws, and the Alien Land Act as governor and as a US Senator supported the 1921 Temporary Quota and 1924Immigration Act which banned Asian immigration to the US. He also supported Japanese-American internment as did almost every California politician of both parties - the only exceptions were Democratic Senator Sheridan Downey and Democratic Congressman Jerry Voorhis, who afaik were the only politicians in any of the west coast states who opposed internment. In Voorhis' case internment removed a large part of the population of his district, which included Boyle Heights which at the time had a large Japanese population.
TBF most of the Democrats were no better - the other Dem Congressmen supported internment just like the GOP Congressmen, and Dem Gov. Olson strongly defended internment. All four governors of the states affected by internment - the Dem governors of CA and AZ and the GOP governors of OR and WA - supported it.
In any case, the "yellow peril" - the most virulent form of CA racism in the 19th and much of the 20th centuries - is finally dead now.
Also: the leader of the Klan in Southern California during its heyday, Bob Shuler, was a Republican, and unsuccessfully ran for Congress as one. The Klan in the West was bipartisan unlike in the South, Texas, and Oklahoma.

And to CalSur's point about the old GOP, the civil rights legislaiton of the 1960's was passed with REPUBLICAN support, could NOT have passed without it.

True. Northern and Western Dems, and Republicans, vs. Southern Dems.

[RCCCB]

Originally Posted by majoun

Warren being associated with the KKK is news to me.
Byrd (and Hugo Black, who on the court became a huge supporter of civil rights) derived advantage for starting their political careers from Klan association.

While the Klan was strong in California at one time, it was NEVER strong in Alameda County and there would have been no political advantage to Warren becoming a Klansman.

Warren was indeed bigoted against Asians before WW2 (most California politicians of both parties were) and helped draw up the Japanese-American internment plan as state Attorney General - but he felt genuine guilt and remorse over his role in the Japanese internment program and became a major supporter of civil rights as governor and Chief Justice.
As for Republican bigotry in California - Hiram Johnson, generally considered one of California's greatest and most effective governors and a key figure in CA's old "Bay Area moderate Republican" tradition, was like virtually all California politicians of his era a bigot when it came to Asians. He supported restrictive covenants, anti-miscegenation laws, and the Alien Land Act as governor and as a US Senator supported the 1921 Temporary Quota and 1924Immigration Act which banned Asian immigration to the US. He also supported Japanese-American internment as did almost every California politician of both parties - the only exceptions were Democratic Senator Sheridan Downey and Democratic Congressman Jerry Voorhis, who afaik were the only politicians in any of the west coast states who opposed internment. In Voorhis' case internment removed a large part of the population of his district, which included Boyle Heights which at the time had a large Japanese population.
TBF most of the Democrats were no better - the other Dem Congressmen supported internment just like the GOP Congressmen, and Dem Gov. Olson strongly defended internment. All four governors of the states affected by internment - the Dem governors of CA and AZ and the GOP governors of OR and WA - supported it.
In any case, the "yellow peril" - the most virulent form of CA racism in the 19th and much of the 20th centuries - is finally dead now.
Also: the leader of the Klan in Southern California during its heyday, Bob Shuler, was a Republican, and unsuccessfully ran for Congress as one. The Klan in the West was bipartisan unlike in the South, Texas, and Oklahoma.




True. Northern and Western Dems, and Republicans, vs. Southern Dems.

Of course there are hate groups in all races, but the bulk of the white ones in the United States seem to hang out near Fallbrook and Temecula based on what I've seen on the internet.

[majoun]

Originally Posted by RCCCB

Of course there are hate groups in all races, but the bulk of the white ones in the United States seem to hang out near Fallbrook and Temecula based on what I've seen on the internet.

The IE and East SD County have extensive Klan histories.

[BacktoBlue]

Originally Posted by majoun

The IE and East SD County have extensive Klan histories.

East SD county never had a KKK or a clan, just racist people and that was in the late 90's. It is much better now. I see minorities out there all the time.

I've lived in SD for 20 years (born here) so I know what I am talking about.

[majoun]

Originally Posted by Footballfreak

East SD county never had a KKK or a clan, just racist people and that was in the late 90's. It is much better now. I see minorities out there all the time.

I've lived in SD for 20 years (born here) so I know what I am talking about.

San Diego's Ku Klux Klan 1920-1980 | San Diego History Center

[BacktoBlue]

Ok well that was the fricken 1920s and FYI during those times people didn't like blacks everywhere in America so son't act like it's just there. I am saying it is not like that now and hasn't been since the mid-late 90's.