Hunters Warned About Avoiding Illegal Marijuana Fields (Clovis, Brea: credit, home)

[ferretkona]

Originally Posted by Curmudgeon

And I doubt they were armed with AK-47s!

Did not get close enough to see if was AR-15's or M-16's. We were armed as well since we were hunting but we were willing to go the other way.

[ferretkona]

Originally Posted by Lovehound

No, the majority of marijuana do want to legalize marijuana, but too many of them were stoned on election day and couldn't find their polling places.

Americans are fooled in believing their vote counts. Who is doing the count? Bills like this are allowed to go to vote when the government does the counting.

[NewToCA]

Originally Posted by .highnlite

Curmie, a solution based in reality would be a better indicator of brainwave activity.

The growers know you are there before you know they are there. When Automatic weapons fire drives off the sheriff and CHP, I don't think the chest beating yahoos are going to have much luck.

Maybe a constructive redeployment of the California National Guard, in conjunction with state, local and Federal officers.

Actually, it isn't as difficult as it seems. First you have satellite technology and local air surveillance to identify 10 of the larger pot growth fields, then you attack them with heavy duty firepower if needed.

Repeat as needed every few months.

[Curmudgeon]

Originally Posted by ferretkona

Did not get close enough to see if was AR-15's or M-16's. We were armed as well since we were hunting but we were willing to go the other way.

As would I. I'm suggesting a coordinated and sustained effort, Ideally in conjunction with local and federal assets. It's past time we took our sovreign territory back.

[Lovehound]

Originally Posted by Fontucky

How about legalize it AND strengthen the border?

I'm dubious that our long border with Mexico can ever be made impervious no matter how much money and resources are spent on a border fence. Rather, increase pressure and fines against employers who hire undocumented immigrants and provide them a system that can speedily verify right to work, including checks and balances to verify name and valid social security number. With such a system there would be little incentive for illegals to enter California intending to work (no jobs for those with no documentation), border traffic would decline, and the drug smugglers would stand out in the lesser traffic because they'd be a bigger proportion of traffic.

[Gentoo]

Originally Posted by Lovehound

I'm dubious that our long border with Mexico can ever be made impervious no matter how much money and resources are spent on a border fence. Rather, increase pressure and fines against employers who hire undocumented immigrants and provide them a system that can speedily verify right to work, including checks and balances to verify name and valid social security number. With such a system there would be little incentive for illegals to enter California intending to work (no jobs for those with no documentation), border traffic would decline, and the drug smugglers would stand out in the lesser traffic because they'd be a bigger proportion of traffic.

^this

[Brenda-by-the-sea]

Originally Posted by Lovehound

Rather, increase pressure and fines against employers who hire undocumented immigrants and provide them a system that can speedily verify right to work, including checks and balances to verify name and valid social security number.

That's been proposed many, many times in the past. But unless someone invents some kind of clairvoyant scanner that can detect nationality from afar, actual implementation of these vague allusions to "increasing pressure," "providing a system," and "checks and balances" comes down to issuing national ID cards and conducting random checks of U.S. residents, an outcome that the public refuses to accept and one with profound 4th Amendment implications.

You have to remember that politics is the art of the possible. There are all kinds of solutions we could implement if we only had crystal balls and magic wands. Many of those who employ undocumented workers are undocumented themselves. But they don't have an imprint on their forehead that tells people that.

[Lovehound]

Originally Posted by Brenda-by-the-sea

That's been proposed many, many times in the past. But unless someone invents some kind of clairvoyant scanner that can detect nationality from afar...

You don't think there's some kind of government agency that can take a social security number and verify the name matches and that the number isn't being used by 87 people in 23 different states? I find that hard to believe that the government has no way of knowing the difference between citizens and aliens. There's no way the government can tell if a person has a green card? Scoff, scoff. The only problem I see is providing a means so that employers can access the data to verify the legitimacy of prospective employees, and punishments with teeth if employers don't use it.

[.highnlite]

Actually, it isn't as difficult as it seems. First you have satellite technology and local air surveillance to identify 10 of the larger pot growth fields, then you attack them with heavy duty firepower if needed.

Nope, doesn't work. SR 71 was used, it worked until the grower tactics changed. CHP here has a helicopter out most days looking for grows. Even when they are given a location they usually cannot find it.

Aerial Recon and satellite can't defeat a simple grower solution.

When the fields are found, they seldom find a person.

What? You don't think Law Enforcement has been trying to crack this nut for years.

[1AngryTaxPayer]

This is why I am usually well armed in the back country. You never know when you will run into a growing op. Funny how they seem to avoid rifle season. I guess they don't like the idea of someone shooting back.