The Texas Miracle (?) that California helped pay for ... (San Diego, Big Bend: apartment, school)

[Backspace]

Originally Posted by bulldogdad

I think this thread has run its course.

X2 You guys should come over to the Politics forum, there's plenty to talk about over there that doesn't involve just CA.

[.highnlite]

of course, how silly of me to use the less "more correct"

Anyway for the dear reader who wonders what the situation is with Backspace and public lands and Johnson Valley.

Some other place, Backspace stated he knew more about public lands than, well, who doesn't matter, he set himself up as an expert on public lands.

He also stated that the state of California was "closing lands to public use" which it isn't.

What he meant to say is that the Federal Government in the form of BLM and Forest Service in California was closing lands to public use, again, aside from Military withdrawals isn't happening.

Once he mentioned OHV use he demonstrated his real problem, that areas of land in the US are being closed to OHV use.

The Beer and Gasoline outdoor recreationalists see this as "locking up" as "closing" public lands to public use.

These lands used by OHV users are not generally valued by them for any scenic or other use, except as a play ground for machines.

In the United States today, the greatest abuse to the land is being done, as we speak by OHV operators. It is an environmental problem as great as the old hydraulic mining and clear cutting of our public lands which led Theodore Roosevelt to greatly expand the National Forest System, one of America's treasures, and has contributed greatly to the economic vitality of the nation.

This is under threat today from OHV's.

The users of which are nearly uniformly Patriotic Conservative Americans.

These people consider that land which may not be driven upon is not available for public use, yet, perhaps you, and certainly millions of Americans consider that hiking (98% of Americans in a recent survey stated they hiked, and enjoyed hiking), horse back riding, mountain biking are ways in which our open lands may be enjoyed.

Now, lest anyone jump to the conclusion that I am some sort of enviro, let me state again, I own, 2 Jeeps, 2 4x4 pickups, a dualsport moto, and a fine 4x4 tractor, all of which I use. All except the tractor on the millions upon millions of acres of public land available for public use, including driving.

I also own horses and pack stock, mountain bikes, and hiking boots, and nordic skis.

In addition I have spent a great deal of my working life in four wheel drive.

I recommend to all, including backspace that they have a number of arrows in their quiver, that they have various ways to enjoy our public lands (50% of the state)

I also recommend that Backspace actually learn about our public lands.

[nullgeo]

Originally Posted by bulldogdad

I think this thread has run its course.

WAIT!
We're trying for a Guinness Record, dawg ...
you know:
Texas is the biggest of the contiguous states --
but California has the longest CD Forum topic

[Gentoo]

Originally Posted by Backspace

So there are no anti-military people in San Diego? None? That's odd, last time I was there for a medical trade show we had an entire group of protesters try to block us from entering the convention hall while holding signs talking about the baby killing marines in Iraq because the US military had set up a trade show display of a mobile hospital that we helped design.

I guess they must have walked there from the Bay area or something like that.

This argument makes absolutely no sense at all. Of course there are anti-military people in San Diego just as there are in any community. That doesn't make SD anti-military. It makes it diverse and tolerant of those who may be different which is more than I can say for a lot of places. Let me educate you on how much the military is a big part of San Diego:

NAS Border Field
NAS Coronado
MCAS Miramar
32nd St. Naval Station
Silver Strand is mostly military owned

These are all within the central metro area of San Diego and two are within the city limits then:

Camp Pendleton Marine Base next to Oceanside.

In addition, the city of San Diego has a decommissioned aircraft carrier, the USS Midway which has been turned into a museum. It's downtown along the waterfront. No way an anti military town would have such a thing.

Face it, you were way off base by including San Diego in your "list" and it proves that you know little about the state you continue to bash in this thread.

[.highnlite]

Is MCRD closed? the old Marine Bootcamp?

I think the Navy bootcamp and school area between it and Rosecrans is closed

How about the Anti Submarine Warfare school across what? Harbor? next to Shelter Cove.

[nullgeo]

Originally Posted by Backspace

So there are no anti-military people in San Diego? None? That's odd, last time I was there for a medical trade show we had an entire group of protesters try to block us from entering the convention hall while holding signs talking about the baby killing marines in Iraq because the US military had set up a trade show display of a mobile hospital that we helped design.

I guess they must have walked there from the Bay area or something like that.

Yo, bubba -- you might consider backspacing yo'sef right on outta this thread about now ... you've got that infamous Texas hoof'n-mouth disease going, I think ... need to see a specialist 'bout that.

I served in a light-attack / rescue squadron in Vietnam ... trained / stationed in the valley at Lemoore ... squadron caught our ship in San Diego ... shakedown along the coast ... then tune-ups in Alameda and left for Vietnam from there ... came back under the Golden Gate to Alameda ... spent nearly 4 months in Oak Knoll Naval Hospital on my return and then stationed at Treasure Island in the Bay until discharge. In all those [California] places, at that volatile time in America, I traveled ashore freely -- including Haight-Ashbury -- in uniform, Vietnam medals on my chest, and never once was called a baby-killer ... nothing but the welcome of the wonderful people (including the anti-war hippies) of California ... nothing but smiles and flowers and offers to get me stoned (and free-love ).

California has changed since the late 60's? Sure. But I still live part-time there and don't see the kind of change you are claiming. The majority of citizens from the coastal cities are vocally anti-imperialist-aggression -- you know, like invading countries on bullsh8t tips and little things like that which unnecessarily cost thousands upon thousands of lives and trillions of dollars -- but they ain't anti-military.

Go wash your mouth out with soap, slick

[.highnlite]

Spot on, I can see that he would have encountered anti Iraq war protestors, what sane American did not see that was insane. It was the "Baby Killer" that showed him to be bull****tin,

Our nation understands that the soldier ain't the policy, that it is the policy that was evil, not the soldiers.

[Backspace]

Originally Posted by nullgeo

Yo, bubba -- you might consider backspacing yo'sef right on outta this thread about now ... you've got that infamous Texas hoof'n-mouth disease going, I think ... need to see a specialist 'bout that.

I served in a light-attack / rescue squadron in Vietnam ... trained / stationed in the valley at Lemoore ... squadron caught our ship in San Diego ... shakedown along the coast ... then tune-ups in Alameda and left for Vietnam from there ... came back under the Golden Gate to Alameda ... spent nearly 4 months in Oak Knoll Naval Hospital on my return and then stationed at Treasure Island in the Bay until discharge. In all those [California] places, at that volatile time in America, I traveled ashore freely -- including Haight-Ashbury -- in uniform, Vietnam medals on my chest, and never once was called a baby-killer ... nothing but the welcome of the wonderful people (including the anti-war hippies) of California ... nothing but smiles and flowers and offers to get me stoned (and free-love ).

California has changed since the late 60's? Sure. But I still live part-time there and don't see the kind of change you are claiming. The majority of citizens from the coastal cities are vocally anti-imperialist-aggression -- you know, like invading countries on bullsh8t tips and little things like that which unnecessarily cost thousands upon thousands of lives and trillions of dollars -- but they ain't anti-military.

Go wash your mouth out with soap, slick

Originally Posted by Gentoo

This argument makes absolutely no sense at all. Of course there are anti-military people in San Diego just as there are in any community. That doesn't make SD anti-military. It makes it diverse and tolerant of those who may be different which is more than I can say for a lot of places. Let me educate you on how much the military is a big part of San Diego:

NAS Border Field
NAS Coronado
MCAS Miramar
32nd St. Naval Station
Silver Strand is mostly military owned

These are all within the central metro area of San Diego and two are within the city limits then:

Camp Pendleton Marine Base next to Oceanside.

In addition, the city of San Diego has a decommissioned aircraft carrier, the USS Midway which has been turned into a museum. It's downtown along the waterfront. No way an anti military town would have such a thing.

Face it, you were way off base by including San Diego in your "list" and it proves that you know little about the state you continue to bash in this thread.

Sounds to me like you guys need to be concerned with the local idiots who were protesting a medical trade show, not a guy who got caught up in it... but I wouldn't expect that to happen because I'm from Texas and I'm the easier target than acknowledging that you do indeed have some left wing, anti-military idiots in San Diego. I specifically said San Diego because of what I saw took place and I couldn't care less how you guys feel about it. I respect the military, I sure don't need anyone from CA to tell me to do that.

[Oerdin]

Originally Posted by Backspace

Then why do you allow your fellow CA residents to disrespect them on a regular basis?

You are delusional if you think anything like that happens "on a regular basis". Just completely delusional.

[Gentoo]

Originally Posted by .highnlite

Is MCRD closed? the old Marine Bootcamp?

I think the Navy bootcamp and school area between it and Rosecrans is closed

How about the Anti Submarine Warfare school across what? Harbor? next to Shelter Cove.

There's a bit of military activity left but yes, the MCRD you are thinking of is no more. There's a high school in that complex now and even a vons and some apartments.

Not sure about the NTC sub pier but I haven't heard anything about it in a while.