California's minimum wage should be $12.00/hr (insurance, home equity, house)

[chacho_keva]

Originally Posted by eureka1

Like that's an easy thing to do in this economy?What planet are you living on? OP is correct on what SHOULD be done. How to accomplish it is another question.

Hey buddy, just because something is difficult to accomplish, does not mean it's impossible to accomplish. Set your sight on something beyond a "Circle-K" position. Get yourself a career which requires a little more than just showing up for work. There are plenty of jobs out there which pay well and do not require a bachelor's degree.

However, if your only goal is to do "mindless" work for your entire life, then sure, I undestand why some want a higher minimum wage.

[Vascodagama]

Originally Posted by Curmudgeon

Yeah! That's the ticket. I'm sure the landlord who has a $1,200 or more a month mortgage would be happy to do that for you.

Where do you people come from?

It’s not that farfetched when you consider the numbers of unemployed and illegal immigrants. The jobless is increasing which will drive down rents. In SoCal the media has been saying for over a year now that rents will skyrocket. Well, I look around and see apartments for rent everywhere with move-in specials and rent reductions.

[SOON2BNSURPRISE]

minumum wage is a joke and should be eliminated. Who says that someone is worth $8 an hour or $12 an hour? Untill you have proven yourself you are worth nothing and should be paid nothing. An employer hires 2 people to work at a business. One busts tail and gets it done, the other does the bare minumum, has to be prodded to get to work, talks to their friends instead of working. Why should the employer have to pay them both a minumum wage of any kind? Only one of those employees had shown that they are worthy of a paycheck.

Your value to the employer is equal to what you bring to the table. If an employee comes into an organization and can keep up or surpass the current employees then they could be entitiled to a similar pay. If an employee has something in the way of knowledge, education, or some other form of background that would enlighten the employer on a track record of sorts then the employer may be willing to offer more in the way of pay and compensation. Those people with more to offer are for the most part offered more. Most would aggree that they have earned the right to the money. The real deal is that if you don't offer them the money someone else probably will offer them the money.

What does a kid looking for that first job bring to the table? Chances are very little other than the desire to get a job. They don't have a track record as of yet. An employer should be able to offer to pay what they want and the prospective employee has the right to say yes or no. When that employee has built a reputation as a hard worker they can then go back to the employer and ask for a more fare wage. For example I worked for a locksmith shop 14 years ago and the owner expected me to bring in at least 3 X my pay. He wanted 5 X what it cost him in pay. My increase each year was based on that figure.

[Gentoo]

Originally Posted by SOON2BNSURPRISE

minumum wage is a joke and should be eliminated. Who says that someone is worth $8 an hour or $12 an hour? Untill you have proven yourself you are worth nothing and should be paid nothing. An employer hires 2 people to work at a business. One busts tail and gets it done, the other does the bare minumum, has to be prodded to get to work, talks to their friends instead of working. Why should the employer have to pay them both a minumum wage of any kind? Only one of those employees had shown that they are worthy of a paycheck.

Your value to the employer is equal to what you bring to the table. If an employee comes into an organization and can keep up or surpass the current employees then they could be entitiled to a similar pay. If an employee has something in the way of knowledge, education, or some other form of background that would enlighten the employer on a track record of sorts then the employer may be willing to offer more in the way of pay and compensation. Those people with more to offer are for the most part offered more. Most would aggree that they have earned the right to the money. The real deal is that if you don't offer them the money someone else probably will offer them the money.

What does a kid looking for that first job bring to the table? Chances are very little other than the desire to get a job. They don't have a track record as of yet. An employer should be able to offer to pay what they want and the prospective employee has the right to say yes or no. When that employee has built a reputation as a hard worker they can then go back to the employer and ask for a more fare wage. For example I worked for a locksmith shop 14 years ago and the owner expected me to bring in at least 3 X my pay. He wanted 5 X what it cost him in pay. My increase each year was based on that figure.

The only problem with this is that is requires us to trust that employers will always be honest and I think we all know better than that. Who's to say that an employer wouldn't just make stuff up to avoid paying a certain number of his employers a certain amount? Such an employer could always say that only two of his 6 employees were worthy of let's say 8.00 while the other 4 are only worth 5 and 6 dollars. The reality could be that perhaps only one was a slacker. You may be a very honest person, that doesn't mean others are.

[ragnarkar]

How about Minimum Wage = $ ( 20 - Unemployment_Rate).

If the unemployment rate is 0, then Minimum wage is $20/hr.

If unemployment rate is 20% and over, there will be no minimum wage.

Right now, unemployment rate is about 12% in CA so $8/hr is justified.

Please bring unemployment to 8 or below and you can have your $12/hr min wage.

[SOON2BNSURPRISE]

Originally Posted by Gentoo

The only problem with this is that is requires us to trust that employers will always be honest and I think we all know better than that. Who's to say that an employer wouldn't just make stuff up to avoid paying a certain number of his employers a certain amount? Such an employer could always say that only two of his 6 employees were worthy of let's say 8.00 while the other 4 are only worth 5 and 6 dollars. The reality could be that perhaps only one was a slacker. You may be a very honest person, that doesn't mean others are.

It is no problem when you can prove how much income you brought into the company, or how much you accomplished during the year. If an employee saved their employer money, improved the employers situation, or sold more that is easy to show. The fact is if a year later the employer decides that they can't pay the employee more the employee has a background now and can show other employers what they can do. An employer is not going to want to lose a hard working asset that is making them money or saving them money.

The other point is that those that are worth more are being ripped off because of the minumum wage system in place. Most people have bought into the fact that they are worth X, Y , or Z. That just is not the case.

[Gentoo]

Originally Posted by SOON2BNSURPRISE

It is no problem when you can prove how much income you brought into the company, or how much you accomplished during the year. If an employee saved their employer money, improved the employers situation, or sold more that is easy to show. The fact is if a year later the employer decides that they can't pay the employee more the employee has a background now and can show other employers what they can do. An employer is not going to want to lose a hard working asset that is making them money or saving them money.

The other point is that those that are worth more are being ripped off because of the minumum wage system in place. Most people have bought into the fact that they are worth X, Y , or Z. That just is not the case.

What about those jobs where selling isn't what an employee does? What about those jobs where an employee performs many tasks often with other employees and they cannot be babysat to ensure all the work is divided evenly? It's easy to accuse certain employees of not pulling their weight without ever having to prove it or being able to prove it. Not every job can be accurately tracked on paper and again, not everyone who tracks it will always be honest.

[30STM]

there is no compliance with minimum wage in any state.

someone should do a documentary on how to make it on CA minimum wage

[RedJacket]

I'd go along with 12 bucks an hour for all those who graduated summa c*m laude from Hamburger University.

Anyone who can build a Big Mac deserves to be part of the higher echelon of American society.

[SOON2BNSURPRISE]

Originally Posted by Gentoo

What about those jobs where selling isn't what an employee does? What about those jobs where an employee performs many tasks often with other employees and they cannot be babysat to ensure all the work is divided evenly? It's easy to accuse certain employees of not pulling their weight without ever having to prove it or being able to prove it. Not every job can be accurately tracked on paper and again, not everyone who tracks it will always be honest.

If a manager can't tell you who the best employees are then they need to be relieved of duty, don't you think? Look at what Jack Welch did with GE. He would fire the bottom 10% of performing managers every year. Who wants to keep those that do not perform? During his 20 years with GE he built it into one of, if not the best, company in the world. That being said, how many hard working employees are going to tolerate someone that is not pulling their weight especially if they get the same pay and benefits? Seems to me that would lead to more slackers and not more hard workers. If everyone gets the same then why work?