Riverside County official wants CA split into 2 states (Los Angeles, Fresno: job market, bankrupt)

[BayAreaHillbilly]

UNLV09 is sort of a bigot. People who are so unschooled as to conflate Libertarianism with Fascism generally are bigoted against anything that is not Socialist.

[Curmudgeon]

Originally Posted by UNLV09

Haha, your utopian idea of a conservative state would actually be a third world country (granted, this is if our experimental states of East and West California were independent and not part of the union). The ultra-pro business policies that would develop there would ensure that corporations and manufacturing companies would ship most jobs overseas, thereby increasing the unemployment rate and eliminating the manufacturing base, and would remove the minimum wage thereby increasing the poverty level and thus increasing the crime rate also. Once you guys removed the public housing for the poor, your ghettos would turn into third world slums and shanty towns with the poor people living in shacks and using sidewalk gutters as toilets and garbage dumps. When you cut off medicaid the infant mortality rate would sky rocket and when you cut off medicare the average life expectancy would drop also.

Your larger cities would be engulfed with a layer of smog worse than anything L.A. has ever seen since you'd automatically repeal any provisions on businesses created by the clean air act, and drinking any water there would be a risk because there would virtually be no regulations on the toxic chemicals produced by industrial companies and the proper disposal of those chemicals (since that stuff cost too much money and time).

And although it wouldn't be a fiscal "Nanny State" it would certainly be a social one, as the new East California constitution would certainly mention a prohibition on gay marriage and any sort of gay rights (luckily we're already past the 1960s era mentality or interracial marriage would certainly be prohibited as well), law abiding citizens who like to smoke a joint everyonce in a while would be thrown in prison (but drunkards who like to get wasted until they are stumbling through the streets and vomiting in toilets would perfectly within the laws limits), the building of Mosque or the open practice of Islam including traditional Muslim dress would be prohibited. Affirmative action would be removed so it would become more difficult for people of color to land high end jobs (remember, at least 10% of Americans said they didn't vote for Obama because he's black) or go to college since socio-economic conditions leave many people of color not having the education requirements to be competitive for college applications (i.e., they live in crappy areas, thus go to crappy schools that don't prepare them well for the SAT, if at all). It's possible some legislators would propose laws against unpatriotic activities and anyone with a strong accent or a Mexican features would certainly need to carry around citizen papers all the time lest they be thrown in jail until they can provide those documents.

So all those poor, unfortunates would "flee" to "your" California where they'd take up residence in the housing area garages in your sanctuary cities and towns. But no one would notice or mind because you'd already be living in a third-world environment since the best jobs would go to the least qualified based solely upon the color of their skins and/or countries of origin and only their progeny would be able to afford higher education provided by the high taxes paid by the minority.

I can just see it now. And you and your ilk will be beside yourselves with joy and self-righteousness at the wonder you will have wrought and your only concern will be the tide swirling around your feet becoming ever stronger.

[jimhcom]

I think the split would be a great idea, it might just keep me from fleeing the state!

[jimhcom]

Originally Posted by DynamoLA

Of California's 53 Fortune 500 companies, exactly ONE (Qualcomm #222) is headquartered in the proposed "South California".

Good luck with that.

Free of the liberals in the north, the south would have no problem attracting business.
First dump all the liberal regulation, the high taxes, environmental restrictions, and the tons of other non sense that SF and Sacramento force on the rest of us and we could turn riverside into the next Silicon Valley.
In trade we could give the north all the illegals we will no longer be educating, paying for health care, and other ways supporting.

[EdJS]

Originally Posted by UNLV09

So you're saying a state can't have the same name as a city that's in that state? Then I guess Kansas, Oklahoma, New York and few others better change their names

And why when people bring up a California split everyone is willing to discuss it seriously, but whenever someone brings up a thread about splitting up the U.S. into more politically cohesive regions everyone acts like the idea is blasphemous?

I don't think people ever bring up a California split seriously.

[sav858]

Originally Posted by jimhcom

Free of the liberals in the north, the south would have no problem attracting business.
First dump all the liberal regulation, the high taxes, environmental restrictions, and the tons of other non sense that SF and Sacramento force on the rest of us and we could turn riverside into the next Silicon Valley.
In trade we could give the north all the illegals we will no longer be educating, paying for health care, and other ways supporting.

Considering that the San Bernardino-Riverside area is one of the LEAST educated places in the entire country I highly doubt that would ever happen. Silicon Valley companies need intelligent, educated people for their industry, something that Riverside lacks in comparison.

[Curmudgeon]

Originally Posted by sav858

Considering that the San Bernardino-Riverside area is one of the LEAST educated places in the entire country I highly doubt that would ever happen. Silicon Valley companies need intelligent, educated people for their industry, something that Riverside lacks in comparison.

But the IE has Fontucky. What more do they need?

[DynamoLA]

Originally Posted by jimhcom

Free of the liberals in the north, the south would have no problem attracting business.
First dump all the liberal regulation, the high taxes, environmental restrictions, and the tons of other non sense that SF and Sacramento force on the rest of us and we could turn riverside into the next Silicon Valley.
In trade we could give the north all the illegals we will no longer be educating, paying for health care, and other ways supporting.

No, you would turn into Nevada, without the gambling industry. (well, except for all of the Indian casinos.)

[majoun]

Originally Posted by UNLV09

Once you guys removed the public housing for the poor, your ghettos would turn into third world slums and shanty towns with the poor people living in shacks and using sidewalk gutters as toilets and garbage dumps.

That isn't that far removed from certain places in that part of the state as they are right now....

And although it wouldn't be a fiscal "Nanny State" it would certainly be a social one, as the new East California constitution would certainly mention a prohibition on gay marriage and any sort of gay rights (luckily we're already past the 1960s era mentality or interracial marriage would certainly be prohibited as well), law abiding citizens who like to smoke a joint everyonce in a while would be thrown in prison (but drunkards who like to get wasted until they are stumbling through the streets and vomiting in toilets would perfectly within the laws limits)

Not everyone who voted against Prop 19 or for Prop 8 wanted to further restrict gay rights or ratchet up crackdowns on weed, some of them were merely satisfied with the status quo on weed or how the status quo on gay marriage had been prior to In re Marriage Cases. Weed spans the political divide in California.

It's possible some legislators would propose laws against unpatriotic activities and anyone with a strong accent or a Mexican features would certainly need to carry around citizen papers all the time lest they be thrown in jail until they can provide those documents.

Are you aware of the demographics of the Inland Empire and the Imperial Valley?

The only counties in West California that would have equal or greater percentages of Latinos as the East California counties would be Los Angeles and Orange counties. East California would have at least as high of a percentage of Latinos in the population as West California.

[Californiaguy2007]

No thanks...I would rather keep California whole...I love the Great Diversity/Variety throughout this state as one.