08-09-2011, 06:30 PM
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Way to go to encourage successful people to stay in-state. Duh! Let's penalize the entrepreneurs. That's bright!
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08-09-2011, 07:01 PM
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When the market collapses and brings the whole economy down with it .. People will get the importance of the rich, their capital, and their capital investments.. I don't expect a common joe-six-pack to understand the tight dependence their livelihood has on markets but i don't expect them to be so ignorant to believe that rich people's money is just sitting in a bank humping itself laughing at the economic downturn.. That huge amount of capital is being put to work to ensure companies are funded .. Governments are funded ... start-ups are funded and .. people continue to have jobs.. The government is obviously doing no greater good w/ it .. Yet, j6p doesn't care.. Take it away from the rich and burn it for all they care.. they'd even be happy w/ that result..
What morons
Luckily, as an American .. and an investor (all you need is a computer terminal) .. you have many options as to where to locate yourself and money to avoid such mobs of clowns.
08-09-2011, 07:19 PM
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Nothing -- I repeat: NOTHING -- in the course of human history on this planet, has ever stopped those with the personalities that crave riches from pursuing their passions for accumulating more wealth ... not for long ... and neither will that happen now just because they have their taxes increased a few percent ...
Temporary hiccups, Chinese fire-drills of reassessment how to play their pyrotechnic money games -- sure ... and hiccups are a pain in the arse ... but the poor rich will survive, as they always have -- and continue to prosper -- and drag the populace along with them ... it's kind of a parasite/host relationship ... no, the rich are not the hosts ... they rely on the herd as much as the other way around ... yes, it's called symbiosis
... until, that is, we all destroy ourselves through our uncontrollable stupidities
08-09-2011, 08:52 PM
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Hey man! Stick it to the man, man!
Oh, man!
08-09-2011, 11:41 PM
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08-10-2011, 02:48 AM
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What's funny here? Again.. lets dig in and pull out some qualitative info shall we?
Switzerland : Tax Haven capital of the world
Switzerland has an overwhelmingly private sector economy and low tax rates by the Western World standards; overall taxation is one of the smallest of developed countries. Switzerland is an easy place to do business; Switzerland ranks 21st of 178 countries in the Ease of Doing Business Index.
They have official languages.. An actual identity and culture .. Don't allow any old idiots to immigrate to their country.. have a culture of hard work .. culture of education... That's why they are prosperous ..
Norway
Natural Resources .. Soo much of it that citizens get an annual dividend ..
83% of the population is norwegian .. Immigration is heavily curtailed ... the people are hard working.. education is paramount .. and have a cultural identity.. an official language...
Australia
Same as Norway
Signapore
Very strict immigration laws ...
VERY STRICT IMMIGRATION LAWS ..
People there are industrious and productive..
Taxes are high but go to very great productive use..
Government safety net isn't what you would expect.. They stress, family is the first safety net.. not govt. ...
and so on and so forth ...
Is soclialism winning out ?
No it's not ..
What is winning out ? Simple.. let me bullet the commonalities and points :
> Sense of national pride .. you aren't x from y living in z amongst those from a,b,c,d,e,f,g ..you are a z .. and you want to do whats best not only for yourself but for your country.. Not some rando arse country half a world away that your great grand mami' was born in
> A defined national language
> A defined and distinct culture
> strict immigration laws
> A well educated populous that views education as paramount
Socialism is not the root ...
The root is a unified body of citizens who are well educated and hard working.
Given that they are unified, they are there for each other and want to build a beautiful country. They are not obsessed with screwing over their fellow man, rather, they are concerned with helping them. Govt. is not full of idiots .. they are full of people unified w/ its citizens to bring prosperity to the country .. Immigration is such that it doesn't allow any old Tom dick and Harry to come in and destroy this unification .. Signapore doesn't say . give us your weak/your poor.. they say give us your strong/educated.. i.e - they have immigration policies for those w/ advanced degrees .. they dont let poor unsustained people into their country.. if they do it is strictly on work visas w/ no path to citizenship.. For w/ unchecked immigration, the 'recipe' of good citizens that allows for the society to flourish would be destroyed through division...
When I have a person who thinks like me .. has a culture like me.. and that is centered on country .. We are aligned .. As we are aligned, I care not to destroy my fellow man as that would in turn hurt/destroy me.. Rather I want to help and build him and in turn build myself .. my country .. for not only myself but for my children and their children .. This aligns w/ pooling resources together to more efficiently engage in social programs for the good of all .. for all are generally for the good and unified on it ...
All to often people forget the all too important points and necessary pieces of this loose term 'socialism'.. as it stands now, that just wont work in the U.S ... We generally have no real culture here .. people are from all over BFE .. people could give two sh*ts about their fellow man.. We have no official language .. People sometimes pledge allegiance to some rag tag country they are no longer a citizen of.. People are all about screwing their fellow man to get ahead .. buy sh*t and impress somebody .. Education is the least of people's concerns and only serves as a means to get a good job in order to buy more sh*t .. Our culture, if you want to call it one is : consumerism.
So, sorry... the 'recipe' of citizens is the issue in America .. The permutations of social structures that can be created from the citizens in this country are highly limited to the 'quality' of the ingredients... If we had 'socialism' . it would fail due to corruption/greed and everyone raping and pillaging the piggy bank .. Oh wait, that already is what is going on by the rich/poor/public sector/unions/lobbyist/corporations/.. on and on and on.
So, that is the root, if you were at all looking for one.
One nation united under screwing each other over for personal advancement... 'Socialism' just doesn't work when the citizens have this mindset
08-10-2011, 03:12 AM
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Nothing -- I repeat: NOTHING -- in the course of human history on this planet, has ever stopped those with the personalities that crave riches from pursuing their passions for accumulating more wealth ... not for long ... and neither will that happen now just because they have their taxes increased a few percent ...
Temporary hiccups, Chinese fire-drills of reassessment how to play their pyrotechnic money games -- sure ... and hiccups are a pain in the arse ... but the poor rich will survive, as they always have -- and continue to prosper -- and drag the populace along with them ... it's kind of a parasite/host relationship ... no, the rich are not the hosts ... they rely on the herd as much as the other way around ... yes, it's called symbiosis
... until, that is, we all destroy ourselves through our uncontrollable stupidities
Nothing... I repeat ((nothing)) in human history has every forced those with riches/wealth to pay taxes they deem unfair.. Looking back in history, you will see that taxes used to be way higher on the rich .. in some cases 89% .. Did many who fell in this bracket pay it? hell no ...
So, write up some bill to stick it to them and tax them more ... It's just highly unlikely any fruits will come of it.. I guess you'll feel good at night though.
And yes, certain tax rules cause money to move to different areas .. So, yeah.. make the wrong move and you could see huge flows of money (for which there could be great damage caused to the economy) ..
Such 'movements' have occurred all throughout human history.... It's called tax strategy investing.
08-10-2011, 07:03 AM
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Norway
Natural Resources .. Soo much of it that citizens get an annual dividend ..
Actually, all that income is saved up in a rainy day fund. Even the government does not get a dividend, far less the citizens. You are thinking of Alaska.
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yeahthatguy
83% of the population is norwegian .. Immigration is heavily curtailed ...
88% of the population of the USA is American. Immigration to Norway has been quite severe for some time.
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yeahthatguy
the people are hard working.. education is paramount .. and have a cultural identity.. an official language...
4 official languages, 2 forms of Norwegian, Saami and Kvæn.
You make good points on the value of a cohesive country, social trust and cultural capital, but the information supporting it is not very factual.
08-10-2011, 07:55 AM
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Of course you tax the rich.
You can't tax the poor, they don't have any money.
08-10-2011, 08:31 AM
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yeahthatguy
Nothing... I repeat ((nothing)) in human history has every forced those with riches/wealth to pay taxes they deem unfair.. Looking back in history, you will see that taxes used to be way higher on the rich .. in some cases 89% .. Did many who fell in this bracket pay it? hell no ...
So, write up some bill to stick it to them and tax them more ... It's just highly unlikely any fruits will come of it.. I guess you'll feel good at night though.
And yes, certain tax rules cause money to move to different areas .. So, yeah.. make the wrong move and you could see huge flows of money (for which there could be great damage caused to the economy) ..
Such 'movements' have occurred all throughout human history.... It's called tax strategy investing.
Ah, the forum's Wonder Boy is back ... note: you respond to my post as if I advocated taxing the rich ... I do -- but I didn't (not in the post you responded to) ... my observation was, and remains, that many predict that taxing the rich will drive them away (when their minions cry out that we need them the most) ... and my point was / is: no it won't ... [unfortunately,] nothing will drive them away ... they are like a bad penny: they keep coming back (with their love of tawdry superficials). This is especially true in California: the finest 163,696 sq mi on the planet earth ... I suspect that somehow they'll figure out a way to stay and own whatever they want
And as for "tax strategy investing" -- your view of "human hstory" is pretty short ... taxing the rich and their response strategies are pretty recent activities relative to "human history".
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Most Common Occupations - Protective service occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Fire fighting and prevention, and other protective service workers including supervisors (%)
Most Common Occupations - Law enforcement workers including supervisors (%)
Most Common Occupations - Food preparation and serving related occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Building and grounds cleaning and maintenance occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Personal care and service occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Sales and office occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Sales and related occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Office and administrative support occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Natural resources, construction, and maintenance occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Farming, fishing, and forestry occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Construction and extraction occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Installation, maintenance, and repair occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production, transportation, and material moving occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Transportation occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Material moving occupations (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - Correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Federal prisons and detention centers (%)
People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)