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Old 08-23-2011, 06:05 AM
 
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Well Don, I think Jon Huntsman is really a Republican with conservative ideals who have a worldly view on things.

I learned a long time ago that the world and its issues are always evolving everyday where people must face these issues with objectivity. Jon Huntsman is an example of someone who is willing to go against the grain of the Republican party that believes global warming simply doesn't exist.

People who are beholden to one set of ideology become so rigid that they find it difficult to think outside of the box to view things from a different perspective.

As a moderate whose views always depend on the situation on hand, I happen to think that they are an example of what's wrong with America.
Its your opinion that conservatives have a rigid ideology. I don't agree and think its the liberals who controlled with the iron fist by their party leaders ... that's very obvious. Huntsman is no conservative and that was clearly shown in the last straw poll. He is not going anywhere in the conservative movement.
This country has derailed from its roots with the progressive liberal ideology. The majority of voters now realize this. This is how the tea party got its roots and why so many people are getting involved in politics now. You won't see conservative voters backing a person who does not have a vision to get our country back on the tracks.
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Old 08-23-2011, 06:28 AM
 
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But in the end, McCain was vindicated. He looks very moderate compared to the Tea Party Hobbits.
Tea Party hobbits? Is that to counter "Liberal Socialist" or "Liberal Communist" ?

The tea party is nothing more than regular everyday people/voters who don't buy into changing out country and society to communism.
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Old 08-23-2011, 08:49 AM
 
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Huntsman is smart and a better leader than the other GOP candidates.
He needs to get his campaign in gear if he's going to have any shot at the nomination. It's easy to see why Obama fears Huntsman the most. It's pretty sad that a sitting president would have less experience than an incoming challenger.

But since the tea partiers are very dumb, they'll settle for nothing less than a "real conservative" such as the corporate welfare loving, ethanol subsidy queen, chairperson of the Tea Party caucus Michelle Bachmann, or whack job secessionist Rick Perry.
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Old 08-23-2011, 10:03 AM
 
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This statement is so wrong

If you think we are supposed to believe you are a moderate GOP type ... I hate to break the news but your not and probably never was.
Don, you know that what I say is true regarding the grid lock in congress. It's primarily due to the tea party. If it was up to them the country would have gone into default because they would rather make a point than work effectively with the rest congress toward any real solutions. Its our way or the highway. That's the Tea Party mantra.

You can question whether I'm a moderate GOP or candidates like Jon Huntsman. Based on tea party ideologies Ronald Reagan would have been a commie liberal. What they say or think means very little. I know I would never vote for the Michele Bachmanns or Sarah Palins of your tea party. That is the kind of change that will send our nation over a cliff. And there is no way the majority of the US will endorse such extremism in a national presidential campaign. I don't think you are changing anyone's mind regarding the tea party. The majority of ppl look at their actions vs. all the rhetoric and knee jerk reactionary language they love to use. But if thats the kind of stuff that gets you excited then to each their own.

Derek

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Old 08-23-2011, 10:36 AM
 
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Don, you know that what I say is true regarding the grid lock in congress. It's primarily due to the tea party. If it was up to them the country would have gone into default because they would rather make a point than work effectively with the rest congress toward any real solutions. Its our way or the highway. That's the Tea Party mantra.

You can question whether I'm a moderate GOP or candidates like Jon Huntsman. Based on tea party ideologies Reagan would have been a commie liberal. What they say or think means very little. I know I would never vote for the Michele Bachmanns or Sarah Palins of your tea party. That is the kind of change that will send our nation over a cliff. And there is no way the majority of the US will endorse such extremism in a national presidential campaign. I don't think you are changing anyone's mind regarding the tea party. The majority of ppl look at their actions vs. all the rhetoric and knee jerk reactionary language they love to use. But if thats the kind of stuff that gets you excited then to each their own.

Derek
Yeah! Total Chicago thuggery, lack of any relevant experience and distaste for what used to make Amerrica great is ever so much more enticing.

It would be refreshing if once before I assume room temperature either or both parties put forward a real statesman/woman so the sheeple had a reasonable choice with substance instead of sound-bites.
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Old 08-23-2011, 10:39 AM
 
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... Everyone who is not a Obama supporter see's the blatant attempts to demonize Perry ... just like the left and mainstream media demonized Bush and Palin. Its an old trick now that won't work now ... especially when your doing this to keep in a President with a record of total failure and a unpopular socialist agenda to change our society. The people are quickly turning against Obama including the black voters ...

From what Ive seen from Perry so far ... he would be 1000 times better than Obama.
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...The left is using that scare tactic talking point to push the liberal socialist agenda and if you don't recognize that then this conversation is pointless. ... The liberals don't agree with that thinking and would rather see our economy and society suffer ... and keep us dependent on foreign energy ... than being realistic and do what makes sense.
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Its your opinion that conservatives have a rigid ideology. I don't agree and think its the liberals who controlled with the iron fist by their party leaders ... that's very obvious. Huntsman is no conservative and that was clearly shown in the last straw poll. He is not going anywhere in the conservative movement.
This country has derailed from its roots with the progressive liberal ideology. The majority of voters now realize this. This is how the tea party got its roots and why so many people are getting involved in politics now. You won't see conservative voters backing a person who does not have a vision to get our country back on the tracks.
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Tea Party hobbits? Is that to counter "Liberal Socialist" or "Liberal Communist" ?

The tea party is nothing more than regular everyday people/voters who don't buy into changing out country and society to communism.
The above quotes brought to you all by the guy who complains that I can't stand to see him have a logical, rational discussion with persons of various political views ... key words: logical -- rational -- discussion

ok ... back to fishing
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Old 08-23-2011, 12:29 PM
 
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Don, you know that what I say is true regarding the grid lock in congress. It's primarily due to the tea party. If it was up to them the country would have gone into default because they would rather make a point than work effectively with the rest congress toward any real solutions. Its our way or the highway. That's the Tea Party mantra.

You can question whether I'm a moderate GOP or candidates like Jon Huntsman. Based on tea party ideologies Ronald Reagan would have been a commie liberal. What they say or think means very little. I know I would never vote for the Michele Bachmanns or Sarah Palins of your tea party. That is the kind of change that will send our nation over a cliff. And there is no way the majority of the US will endorse such extremism in a national presidential campaign. I don't think you are changing anyone's mind regarding the tea party. The majority of ppl look at their actions vs. all the rhetoric and knee jerk reactionary language they love to use. But if thats the kind of stuff that gets you excited then to each their own.

Derek
The debt ceiling negotiations was stalled because Obama wanted a clean increase without any deficit spending cuts or a plan to pay down on the massive debt. The GOP side tried time after time to negotiate but Obama was the one to cause the breakdown in talks. Even after the GOP was forced to accept a deal that was much less than they wanted in terms of deficit cuts and a plan to lower debt ... S&P still downgraded the US government. Can you imagine if Obama got his way on a clean debt increase with no cuts ... S&P would have made a lower rating and probably joined by the other rating agencies.
Thank god we have some GOP politicians that have the guts to make a stand and say no.
The GOP never had a deal to force our government into default. That was typical scare tactics by Obama that he has become so known to use on the American public ... just like he used it with Obamacare, Cap and Trade and just about every issue where he wants to get his way. Shame on you for supporting such a corrupt President that would use such dirty tactics.
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Old 08-23-2011, 12:58 PM
 
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The debt ceiling negotiations was stalled because Obama wanted a clean increase without any deficit spending cuts or a plan to pay down on the massive debt. The GOP side tried time after time to negotiate but Obama was the one to cause the breakdown in talks. Even after the GOP was forced to accept a deal that was much less than they wanted in terms of deficit cuts and a plan to lower debt ... S&P still downgraded the US government. Can you imagine if Obama got his way on a clean debt increase with no cuts ... S&P would have made a lower rating and probably joined by the other rating agencies.
Thank god we have some GOP politicians that have the guts to make a stand and say no.
The GOP never had a deal to force our government into default. That was typical scare tactics by Obama that he has become so known to use on the American public ... just like he used it with Obamacare, Cap and Trade and just about every issue where he wants to get his way. Shame on you for supporting such a corrupt President that would use such dirty tactics.
You know, before I go back down my bluff to drown these here worms trying to entice some fish, I gotta report I have finally figured out Don9:
he's a DNC plant! It's a clever, nefarious plot by the democrats to make the Tea-Partiers look even more bizarre than they really are ... nothing else can quite explain the phenomenally crazy-ignorant statements he makes.

Well well well ... just when we were all thinking the democrats didn't have the guts to play the same sneaky tricks ....
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Old 08-23-2011, 01:25 PM
 
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You know, before I go back down my bluff to drown these here worms trying to entice some fish, I gotta report I have finally figured out Don9:
he's a DNC plant! It's a clever, nefarious plot by the democrats to make the Tea-Partiers look even more bizarre than they really are ... nothing else can quite explain the phenomenally crazy-ignorant statements he makes.

Well well well ... just when we were all thinking the democrats didn't have the guts to play the same sneaky tricks ....
I would not expect you to understand the tea party or the people that claim to take part in the movement. The liberal voters don't have the independent reasoning capability and can only replicate what they are told. That's why we hear the same exact words and phrases from all liberals once the leaders have programmed them. Even the liberal politicians do this on the Sunday political talk shows where a group of them will say the same exact thing ... word for word. Its rather disgusting to see adult people who can't think for themselves.
Ask yourself something ... would or are your parents more likely to be on the tea party side? How about your grandparents? See ... they grew up in a world where we still had American pride and believed in the American dream. The fought for this country and they died for this country ... and they did it for you and your siblings .. and the neighborhood kids ... and all the young folks in the USA. Do you see that national pride and dedication to do what it takes to make our country great and a place to raise our kids? Or do you see more and more people blaming our country for the worlds problems and do you see people taking our rights away ... and do you see people taking our religion away ... our morals ... our self respect ... our pride ....
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Old 08-23-2011, 02:02 PM
 
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Its your opinion that conservatives have a rigid ideology. I don't agree and think its the liberals who controlled with the iron fist by their party leaders ... that's very obvious. Huntsman is no conservative and that was clearly shown in the last straw poll. He is not going anywhere in the conservative movement.
This country has derailed from its roots with the progressive liberal ideology. The majority of voters now realize this. This is how the tea party got its roots and why so many people are getting involved in politics now. You won't see conservative voters backing a person who does not have a vision to get our country back on the tracks.
Don, I made no such statement about the conservative party.

My statement was about both dominant political parties that are rigid in their respective ideologies. In the past, the country has always got things done through bipartisanship.

It was the Tea Party that become very hyper-partisanship that had Congress in gridlock and now they want to put the blame on the liberals. The only group that believes the Tea Party had virtually no role in the gridlocked Congress are the Tea Partier themselves.

I thank the Tea Party for addressing the unsustainable spending we have in Washington, but they pushed the envelope too far this time.
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