Amazon offers Calif. 7,000 jobs if it drops tax (credit, job market)

[18Montclair]

Originally Posted by JohnPaul

Ignorant fool has the ability to see things clearly.

Apparently NOT.

California is being bailed out at 40 million dollars per day just for unemployment.

Even if that's true that comes out 14 Billion a year, YOU STILL OWE CALIFORNIA OVER 700 BILLION DOLLARS.

That doesn't even count everything else.

Such as what?

We pay more money into the federal pot than other other state BY FAR and get far less in return.

Any talk of California being bailed out is ludicrous at best because the reality is, California is the biggest depositor into federal coffers and we dont spend more than we put in like most red states.

[a34dadsf]

Originally Posted by 18Montclair

Your biting the hand that feeds you.

Anyone who claims that California is somehow being supported or 'bailed out' by the rest of the country(especially by any RED state-AS IF) is an ignorant fool:

Net Loss of CA Federal Tax Dollars to other States
1987 $8 Billion
1988 $15 Billion
1989 $20 Billion
1990 $18 Billion
1991 $9 Billion
1992 $3 Billion
1993 $3 Billion
1994 $1 Billion
1995 $1 Billion
1996 $21 Billion
1997 $35 Billion
1998 $52 Billion
1999 $67 Billion
2000 $101 Billion
2001 $77 Billion
2002 $35 Billion
2003 $14 Billion
2004 $18 Billion
2005 $47 Billion
1987-2005 $545 Billion

The Tax Foundation - Federal Taxes Paid vs. Federal Spending Received by State, 1981-2005

Factoring in 2006-2009 puts us closer to $800 Billion of California's money spent in other states btwn 1987-2009

Its called redistribution of wealth from wealthy states (like CA) to poorer states. Someone has to pay the bill and that would be you. Looks like CA's utopian idea of taxing the rich to help the poor can also backfire in its face! ha.

[18Montclair]

Originally Posted by a34dadsf

Its called redistribution of wealth from wealthy states (like CA) to poorer states. Someone has to pay the bill and that would be you.

Then don't come online and say that CA is being bailed out by anyone cause sure as HELL is not true.

[Vascodagama]

Originally Posted by 18Montclair

Then don't come online and say that CA is being bailed out by anyone cause sure as HELL is not true.

California is being bailed out by California tax payers

[user_id]

If the "other states" that receive more than they pay were committed to progress the transfer from California and similar states to them would make sense, in the end everyone would be more wealthy. But the "other states" aren't committed to such, instead they are committed to a social model that produces poverty and are largely anti-progressive. So the transfers from California and other states amount to welfare without which some of these "other states" (mostly in the South...) would be little different than Mexico....

Honestly, California and the east coast states should really just give the hillbillies what they want, namely small federal government. California is large enough to create its own version of social security, medicare, etc and can do without the federal programs. Indeed, California could greatly improve them by adopting a french like health system....something that would never occur at the federal level.

[Vascodagama]

Originally Posted by user_id

If the "other states" that receive more than they pay were committed to progress the transfer from California and similar states to them would make sense, in the end everyone would be more wealthy. But the "other states" aren't committed to such, instead they are committed to a social model that produces poverty and are largely anti-progressive. So the transfers from California and other states amount to welfare without which some of these "other states" (mostly in the South...) would be little different than Mexico....

Honestly, California and the east coast states should really just give the hillbillies what they want, namely small federal government. California is large enough to create its own version of social security, medicare, etc and can do without the federal programs. Indeed, California could greatly improve them by adopting a french like health system....something that would never occur at the federal level.

Is this any different than the millions of Californian's and illegals in California that receive welfare, subsidized or free housing, free schooling, free medical and free food paid for by the California tax payers ... again a transfer of wealth ... because the people receiving these free handouts are not attempting to get off the programs ...

[user_id]

Originally Posted by Don9

Is this any different than the millions of Californian's and illegals in California that receive welfare, subsidized or free housing, free schooling, free medical and free food paid for by the California tax payers ...

No, the vast majority of welfare dollars in California support education and provide food and health care for kids from low income families. This spending has a positive long term impact on the state's economy since the kids will grow up and be able to make positive contributions to the state's economy.

Originally Posted by Don9

... because the people receiving these free handouts are not attempting to get off the programs ...

Nonsense and the state doesn't provide unlimited welfare, the only long term welfare supports children.

Personally I'd prefer if some welfare was replaced by work programs, but you can't exactly ask children to work for their food and health care.

[Vascodagama]

Originally Posted by user_id

No, the vast majority of welfare dollars in California support education and provide food and health care for kids from low income families. This spending has a positive long term impact on the state's economy since the kids will grow up and be able to make positive contributions to the state's economy.



Nonsense and the state doesn't provide unlimited welfare, the only long term welfare supports children.

Personally I'd prefer if some welfare was replaced by work programs, but you can't exactly ask children to work for their food and health care.

That would explain the millions on welfare or other programs that have been on them for decades. The poor keep having babies to get more per month and the babies grow-up to join gangs and also live on welfare.

[user_id]

Originally Posted by Don9

That would explain the millions on welfare or other programs that have been on them for decades.

There is nothing to explain, this is simply a myth. The only program that provides long term support is disability but that isn't "welfare" its an insurance program that is received by those that have paid into it.

Originally Posted by Don9

The poor keep having babies to get more per month and the babies grow-up to join gangs and also live on welfare.

Just another myth. The only long term benefit for a low income family (or individual) having another baby would be a higher earned income tax credit on their federal tax return. But the amount of the credit wouldn't even pay for the costs incurred by the baby so that is hardly an incentive to have more babies....

[BayAreaHillbilly]

The Blue and the Grey, cannons a blasting!

Yeee hah!