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Location: San Luis Obispo and Santa Barbara Counties
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Originally Posted by nullgeo
Yeah? What kinda sauce you gonna marinate him in?
And can I come with a video camera?
I figured you could not leave that one alone!
Speaking of California and all it's hippie, liberal, socialists.
I was at MCRD in San Diego the last couple of days, (first note, who would have thunk it would be 100 degrees in San Diego!, and then the power went out......)
My nephew graduated Marine Corp Boot Camp, so we went down to be there for him.
MCRD handles the west half of the US. All those good "Red" states. There were men honored for being very cool according to Marine stuff. A high percentage of the honormen were Californians.
California, like me, is constantly mistaken for that which it is not.
Speaking of California and all it's hippie, liberal, socialists.
I was at MCRD in San Diego the last couple of days, (first note, who would have thunk it would be 100 degrees in San Diego!, and then the power went out......)
My nephew graduated Marine Corp Boot Camp, so we went down to be there for him.
MCRD handles the west half of the US. All those good "Red" states. There were men honored for being very cool according to Marine stuff. A high percentage of the honormen were Californians.
California, like me, is constantly mistaken for that which it is not.
Many Californian soldiers have dedicated their lives to keeping America free and stepped in harms way for us all - even the left leaning ones.
Of course Donnie will accuse me of being a liberal commie for that one. But that's ok. He means well under all that Tea Party stuff.
Please tell us how California; "is becoming less and less of a free state" Some how I seem to have missed whatever irks you.
Conservatives may not be selfish, but they are definitely fearful. As your 4th, 5th, 7th, and 9th sentences clearly show.
California tells its residents exactly how to live, based on progressive, eco-crazy, anti-business legislation. That means lack of freedom to me. But I get that libs love to tell everybody else how to live their lives.
And as a lib, of course you miss what irks me. I hate the fact that the state I loved and lived in for 25 years has decided that my bedroom is off limits, but they have come to control every other room in the house.
Because to me, deciding what light bulb to use, whether I want paper or plastic, and what food I can feed my kids means freedom. Sorry if you don't see it that way.
Ah, you know nothing about me either, other than what I wrote -- which is what I know about you. You write attacks using negative hyperbole against liberals. You identify yourself as a right-wingnut by doing so. I'm not a liberal ... nor conservative ... nor independent ... nor libertarian ... nor even an anarchist. I am the channeled spirit of a Taoist neanderthal, 10,000 years old. And my observation of all you whiners who chant doom and gloom is: you haven't suffered enough and you ain't seen much through the eyes of history. All politics and politicians suck -- and democracy is unworkable given human nature. It's science. Live with it, lend a hand, and quit your bit*hing.
And you also have absolutely no idea of what I have or don't have to live on -- nor how I earned it. But I'll throw you a glimpse: I live from a combination of a couple income producing properties that I built by my own two hands in spite of disabilities earned in combat on behalf of this nation over 40 years ago, and a modest pension from the military for those damages. All told I live on less than probably most anyone on this forum -- I'd wager probably half of the average here or less -- still supporting three people, and love my lifestyle. Some of the time I live in a remote little cabin I built, sometimes, on one of my little boats, much of the time in a converted tradesman's van. I worked my tail off for over 40 years for this sliver of "mine" that ain't much. And since I was a teen I have never, ever, lived one minute of life without contributing to my communities, my (large) family, and continuously caring for sick and dying and disabled.
So, yeah, happy to see you go pursue your American dream of material self-satisfactions elsewhere.
As you stated, you know NOTHING about me. And I will never get through to you that wanting to live a life similar to the one you live is only attainable because of business-friendly practices. That's great that you contribute to your community. But why would you possibly feel that I may NOT, just because I criticize CA politicians for their over regulations?
And you proved my opinion of you in this post - I've got mine, now leave me alone.
As for chanting doom and gloom? Hard not to with our country going into the toilet.
I can speak for one family who is working on leaving this state.
I haven't read all 14 pages of this thread, but I gather there are plenty of folks who are happy as can be that we are leaving.
Just so you know who is leaving, I am an incorporated general contractor. Not a fly by night operation, but one that is fully burdened by all the regulations of which you all seem so fond. There is an interesting contrast between the regulations with which you have saddled me, and the lack of any laws to limit the illegals to which you have given preference, but I will let you reconcile that for yourself.
Is my work impacted by illegals? Absolutely. Does that mean that my career choice is bad? You imply yes. I wonder then, who do you think should be building in this state? Evidently you are deliberately choosing unregulated construction standards. Good luck with that.
I am sure you won't miss me. Neither will you miss my payroll tax, nor my corporate pay to play tax, nor my licensing fees, nor my business to my insurance brokers. Or did you think the illegals would replace all those?
... Because to me, deciding what light bulb to use, whether I want paper or plastic, and what food I can feed my kids means freedom. Sorry if you don't see it that way.
The truly "sorry" thing is that what you list is what means freedom to you. There are certainly a lot of grave markers for those to whom freedom meant a lot more.
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Originally Posted by ringwise
And you proved my opinion of you in this post - I've got mine, now leave me alone.
As for chanting doom and gloom? Hard not to with our country going into the toilet.
Yes, I've got mine ... it ain't much, and I got it the hard way ... and yet I am happy to have what I do? Yes.
As for your chanting gloom and doom: folks like you are unhappy and chant about it because you want an awful lot more than is needed for happiness ... and you chant from a sense of entitlement that is unearned. You haven't escaped any oppression after years of pain and sacrifice and struggle and loss. You haven't crossed oceans in the holds of filthy ships to serve as slaves or even to be penniless farmers clearing hard-scrabble land with a mule. You haven't crossed prairies in a wagon with a young family, fighting disease and hostiles and rattlesnakes. You haven't built railroads, laying track for pennies a day. You haven't fought wars to defend your shores. I could go on. All you have done is been born into birthright citizenship and raised in the land of the greatest opportunities in the history of this world. Can't afford a 4,000 sq. ft. home on the California coast on your measly $100,000 + combined income? Did big bad Brownie take it away from you? You're breakin' my heart kid.
Location: San Luis Obispo and Santa Barbara Counties
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Originally Posted by ringwise
California tells its residents exactly how to live, based on progressive, eco-crazy, anti-business legislation. That means lack of freedom to me. But I get that libs love to tell everybody else how to live their lives.
And as a lib, of course you miss what irks me. I hate the fact that the state I loved and lived in for 25 years has decided that my bedroom is off limits, but they have come to control every other room in the house.
Silliness, homes in CA have followed UBC for nearly a hundred years, in boom and bust, and it hasn't affected growth one iota, Imagine that, the government forces you to place your wall studs on 16" centers, now, if that isn't socialism I don't know what is!! And you call me a lib, excuse me while I put on my cowboy hat walk out to my 4x4 diesel Pickup truck and make sure my rifle is still in the gun rack, one never knows when some deranged gun loving conservative is going to go berserk and shoot up one place or another.
Let us talk about the light bulb. PG&E, Edison, SDE etc have found it is cheaper to encourage conservation than to build more power plants. It is in societies interest to conserve power, only an idiot could deny that.
As for grocery bags, plastic is with us forever, those poor folks in New York state that got flooded will be picking plastic garbage bags out of their trees for months, unless they find them attractive, like petro spanish moss
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Originally Posted by Anak
Just so you know who is leaving, I am an incorporated general contractor. Not a fly by night operation, but one that is fully burdened by all the regulations of which you all seem so fond. There is an interesting contrast between the regulations with which you have saddled me, and the lack of any laws to limit the illegals to which you have given preference, but I will let you reconcile that for yourself.
Let me be the first to thank you for leaving, may you take all your employees with you. You in turn can thank the Republican businessmen like my old man that encouraged illegal immigration for the low labor costs they provided. Next time you stick a fork into a plate of food, or pop open a bottle of wine, or twist or pop the top off one of those lite beers (Conservatives love lite beer, judging from the amount of empty beer cans found in their camping sites) Thank an illegal for bring that food to you.
Is my work impacted by illegals? Absolutely. Does that mean that my career choice is bad? You imply yes. I wonder then, who do you think should be building in this state? Evidently you are deliberately choosing unregulated construction standards. Good luck with that.
Interesting that you are having a problem, round abouts here the contractors that switched to installing solar are booked up for months.
I am sure you won't miss me. Neither will you miss my payroll tax, nor my corporate pay to play tax, nor my licensing fees, nor my business to my insurance brokers. Or did you think the illegals would replace all those?
The illegals pay the same taxes you do and everyone else does.
Fewer people need fewer services, just think how much money the state would need if it had 10 million people compared to the current 35 million.
And just so you know, whatever state you move to with the possible exception of Alaska will save you no more than 5% on your tax burden compared to CA. I figure that 5% is a fee well worth it to live in such a grand state. [Now, I do need to place a caveat here, we just drove to San Diego and back, and from Thousand Oaks to the Mexican border is solid buildings, concrete and asphalt, I could not live like that, and I imagine those that do could easily sour on life, it ain't the states fault, it is the climate's fault.
Good luck with that.
Basically, as Nullgeo put it, you are a whiner, 99% of the world's population wish they could live like you do in California, but , heck, that isn't good enough for you. Just keep in mind that the reason so many people live in California is because of those states the "leavers" claim are so wonderful
I can speak for one family who is working on leaving this state...
Is my work impacted by illegals? Absolutely...
I am sure you won't miss me...
Many of things which you bemoan about CA are really a National problem.
First off the Construction Industry as a whole has been hit the hardest nationally during this recession. So it's not just CA construction co's experiencing difficult times right now including layoffs, lack of work, lack of large and smaller projects, etc... This includes both union and non-union jobs.
Secondly illegals working in construction as well as farming and a number of other fields are pervasive throughout the nation. While living in CO contractors there were faced with similar issues. This even made the local papers. I remember reading the articles about it while living there. Many contractors found it hard to staff projects without illegals when the young white citizens had no interest is taking such jobs. Aspen was a prime example of this. The young ppl were instructed to go to college and pick another profession vs. a trade which paid them sub standard wages in such an expensive place to live. Then add in the harsh CO weather conditions and working outside becomes even less appealing. This applies for many states outside CA. Ever tried to work outside in freezing conditions wth snow storms, blizzards, hale, freezing rain, lighting, flooding, etc..? It's not as glamorous in many other states. Add too that lower overall wages. Construction labor is much cheaper in other states. Its amazing how much further one's dollar goes there as a consumer whether remodeling your house or having other work done.
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In a developed country like the US, where now only 12% of the labor force has less than a high school education, there is a lack of native-born workers who have no choice but to take undesirable manual labor jobs. Illegal immigrants, on the other hand, have much lower levels of education (about 70% of illegal workers in the US from Mexico lack a high school degree). They are still willing to take "underclass" jobs due to their much higher relative wages than those in their home country. Since illegal immigrants often anticipate working only temporarily in the destination country, the lack of opportunity for advancement is less of a problem. Evidence for this can be seen in one Pew Hispanic Center poll of over 3,000 illegal immigrants from Mexico in the US, which found that 79% would voluntarily join a temporary worker program that allowed them to work legally for several years but then required them to leave. -- Illegal immigration - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Like it or not illegal immigration is a national dilema - a talking point for many politicians who want to sound tough on crime, etc... But very few have realistic plans to deal with the full breadth of the situation. With as many as 20 million illegal aliens living in the US this is a problem which will take more than building a bigger fence or hiring more border patrol to solve. Its a complex socio-economic issue which has become intertwined within the American workforce for generations. Where will you go to escape all this in your profession, Alaska?
Derek
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