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Old 09-08-2011, 11:31 AM
 
Location: California
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I always hated "sign the bill" season when we would end up with dozens of new laws that sometimes turned average folks into law breakers and criminals.

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Brown appeared to side with GOP critics who had characterized the measure as "nanny government."

"...I am concerned about the continuing and seemingly inexorable transfer of authority from parents to the state. Not every human problem deserves a law."
In response to a bill he vetoed which would require children to wear helmets on ski slopes.

Read more: Gov. Brown vetoes ski helmet, phone fine bills

I am pleasantly surprised. He also vetoed a bill which would have jacked up the cost of a ticket for cell phone use while driving from $50 to $328.
How do you feel about all this?
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Old 09-08-2011, 11:45 AM
 
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I always hated "sign the bill" season when we would end up with dozens of new laws that sometimes turned average folks into law breakers and criminals.


In response to a bill he vetoed which would require children to wear helmets on ski slopes.

Read more: Gov. Brown vetoes ski helmet, phone fine bills

I am pleasantly surprised. He also vetoed a bill which would have jacked up the cost of a ticket for cell phone use while driving from $50 to $328.
How do you feel about all this?
Very satisfied. Brown is not perfect, but he is employing some common sense when it comes to restricting California's urge to be a nanny state.
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Old 09-08-2011, 12:54 PM
 
Location: Central Texas
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Perhaps this will set the tone a bit with your legislators to not waste their time with busy work. Focus on the big issues. I think our president would do well to follow Brown's example in this case.
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Old 09-08-2011, 01:36 PM
 
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Perhaps this will set the tone a bit with your legislators to not waste their time with busy work. Focus on the big issues. I think our president would do well to follow Brown's example in this case.
Yeah everybody should focus on the big issues like we all do here on the C D forums ... especially important and helpful are the posts all the way from Texas, offering support and encouragement ... camaraderie ... fellowship ... and guidance toward a better and brighter future in general!

Sacramento, Washington, are you listening? Are you watching?
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Old 09-08-2011, 02:55 PM
 
Location: US
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No politician is perfect, but I'm very satisfied with Brown.
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Old 09-08-2011, 04:15 PM
 
Location: Sacramento
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I have no problem with Brown's veto of those bills.
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Old 09-08-2011, 05:04 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Agree on the ski helmets, but I happen to think that using a cell phone (not hands free), and texting while driving impairs one's ability to drive no less than someone under the influence of drugs and alcohol; especially texting. No way you are any more focused on the road than someone moderately impaired from alcohol. And I'd rather share the road with someone moderately drunk than someone texting. It's time to treat those things a little more seriously.

Brown's logic regarding the cell phone fine veto is puzzling: "I think anyone who has looked out their car window has seen there is a significant minority of folks who aren't complying with the law on a regular basis," he said, noting a state survey from September 2010 that showed about 27 percent of people talked on a handheld device sometimes or regularly."

Couldn't you say the same thing about alcohol? I mean really, how many people do you see chugging a beer down on the road? How many people are actually driving impaired on the road (as a percentage)? Maybe we should make a DUI a $50 fine?
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Old 09-08-2011, 11:20 PM
 
Location: Vallejo
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Agree on the ski helmets, but I happen to think that using a cell phone (not hands free), and texting while driving impairs one's ability to drive no less than someone under the influence of drugs and alcohol; especially texting. No way you are any more focused on the road than someone moderately impaired from alcohol. And I'd rather share the road with someone moderately drunk than someone texting. It's time to treat those things a little more seriously.

Brown's logic regarding the cell phone fine veto is puzzling: "I think anyone who has looked out their car window has seen there is a significant minority of folks who aren't complying with the law on a regular basis," he said, noting a state survey from September 2010 that showed about 27 percent of people talked on a handheld device sometimes or regularly."

Couldn't you say the same thing about alcohol? I mean really, how many people do you see chugging a beer down on the road? How many people are actually driving impaired on the road (as a percentage)? Maybe we should make a DUI a $50 fine?
I guess your one of those people who can't chew gum and walk at the same time, huh? Seriously, if you can't hold something in your hand while driving you probably shouldn't be allowed to drive period.

I'm a sometimes to regular talked on a handled device driver and barely go a day without texting while driving. I just text while sitting at a red light, which isn't unsafe to anyone, and if it weren't illegal and I could text with the damn phone on top of the steering with the light in view and I wouldn't even inconvenience anyone. As is I occasionally miss the light turning for a few seconds which isn't that much different as I always wait a few seconds after the light turns green to go anyway. Probably 80% of the time I do use a hands-free device as it's a completely retarded law that is easily obeyed. The 20% of the time I don't is when I forget to put my stupid blueteeth in when driving. Of course, I could follow the law and take my eyes off the road while I rummaged through the center console for my blueteeth which would be far more dangerous than just answering the phone. But I'd rather break the law and remain a safe driver than follow it and take my eyes off the road for several seconds.

Far more dangerous than either my holding a small object in my hand and texting while sitting at red lights is my habit of driving while tired. My work schedule is erratic, so I often go days without getting any sleep or little sleep. Maybe we should pass a YWD law?
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Old 09-08-2011, 11:45 PM
 
Location: Florida
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I guess your one of those people who can't chew gum and walk at the same time, huh? Seriously, if you can't hold something in your hand while driving you probably shouldn't be allowed to drive period.

I'm a sometimes to regular talked on a handled device driver and barely go a day without texting while driving. I just text while sitting at a red light, which isn't unsafe to anyone, and if it weren't illegal and I could text with the damn phone on top of the steering with the light in view and I wouldn't even inconvenience anyone. As is I occasionally miss the light turning for a few seconds which isn't that much different as I always wait a few seconds after the light turns green to go anyway. Probably 80% of the time I do use a hands-free device as it's a completely retarded law that is easily obeyed. The 20% of the time I don't is when I forget to put my stupid blueteeth in when driving. Of course, I could follow the law and take my eyes off the road while I rummaged through the center console for my blueteeth which would be far more dangerous than just answering the phone. But I'd rather break the law and remain a safe driver than follow it and take my eyes off the road for several seconds.

Far more dangerous than either my holding a small object in my hand and texting while sitting at red lights is my habit of driving while tired. My work schedule is erratic, so I often go days without getting any sleep or little sleep. Maybe we should pass a YWD law?
Such a well written response. I'm speechless. Well, actually I'm not speechless, I just can't type and speak at the same time. Let me guess, you were probably on the phone while you wrote your post......and were....a bit distracted?
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Old 09-09-2011, 03:43 AM
 
Location: Vallejo
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Cool story, bro.

I do know a few people who can type and speak at the same time. Unfortunately, if I try that, and I have on occasion, I just end up typing whatever it is I'm saying which obviously comes out as a garbled mess as, like most people, I cannot type nearly as fast as I can talk; however, you are speaking of two linguistic activities and while I cannot speak and type at the same time, it really is not that difficult to speak and walk or speak and tie my shoe or speak and drive a car at the same time. I guess that's not something everyone can do as I often see people on the freeway weaving around and fluctuating their speed by as much as 15 mph while they, perfectly legally I might add, talk on their hands-free device. I also see many more people who are at least capable enough that they can actually hold a small object in one hand, speak into said small object, and operate a car without any obvious outward demonstrations of distracted driving.

What shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone with a half-functional brain is that it is the more complex task that is more distracting than the less complex one. For most people, participating in a conversation is far more complex than holding a small object. Even if that outlandish concept were too difficult for one to grasp, just about every empirical study done on driving distraction confirms that it is the act of holding a conversation that causes any distraction there might be and not the act of holding a small object in one's hand. Whether the conversation is had with a hands-free device or handset is irrelevant. Why then do we have these completely asinine laws requiring hands-free devices?

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