08-30-2007, 12:57 PM
Location: Dallas
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I was hoping someone could help me. I am trying to figure out why I have this fear. It's really stupid. But I have this fear of going to California. I have no idea why. I've never been there before. I keep thinking that there is alot of drug use there, I keep thinking the crime rate is extremely high, that it's over populated. That it doesn't take care of its land, that its overly expensive and you don't get paid alot, there a re no jobs and so on. I'm not sure if thats all it. I mean CA seems wonderful and has everything there that I am interested in, but I have this HUGE fear of going or moving there I'm trying really REALLY hard to overcome this and i'm not sure how to. I was hoping a few people could give me some advice. Like how to confront it, the reason why I am afraid of it. I'd really appreciate it!
Oh and it doesn't have anything to do with being comepletly on the oppisite site of the US and like 3 days travel from where I live (NY). Because I am thrilled about Oregon and would love to move there. I think i'm more worried about raising a family there and i'm really REALLY connected with nature and I know Oregons goverment takes care of its land and well I just don't know if CA does. I'm going to research it but it would help if I got others opinions.
This is such a bizarre post. How are we supposed to answer your question without more specifics? Where in CA are you looking to move to? What kind of jobs are you planning on getting? You are scared of rampant drug use and high crime? So weird...you sound like a foreigner or something coming to America for the first time, not an American. But to answer your questions as best I can, I think the more forested areas and the lower-crime, environmentally conscious, and high asian population parts of California are all up North. Which is close to Oregon, coincidentally. So stay out of Southern California and look only at Northern California.
08-30-2007, 02:56 PM
Location: Southern Ca
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I am leaving SoCal because I dont want to raise my daughter here. My husband are in our early 30's and have lived here all our lives. Were Leaving for all the reasons you fear Ca to be. I live in Riverside BTW. If you come out here.....Northern Ca.
08-30-2007, 07:07 PM
Location: where you sip the tea of the breasts of the spinsters of Utica
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The fear of the cost of living moving to California is very appropriate. Yes, Santa Cruz is a place where you can find gorgeous redwood forests near several nice beaches ..... but you'd be lucky to find a one-bedroom apartment for less than $1000, and even that might be in the more slummy section of town. Plus they want more up front anywhere along the central/southern coastal cities of California .... I used to live in central NY, and remember how there you could get a cheap apartment and split up the security deposit over several months, and nobody really checked references.
That's not likely to happen in central/southern coastal California. You may be able to get away with putting $2000 to move in to a cheaper apartment, but it might be first, last, security, application fee to get into a more desirable place. And they do check references, credit check, and you usually will have to sign a year's lease. If you are stuck with the apartment from hell, you can't always get away with just running out on it .... I did that once and took a hit against my credit rating.
It's all too easy to become homeless in California.
Visit first, check out places to live before moving there. See if there is work for your fiance and yourself. Here's a suggestion: Fly out to San Jose, rent a car, and drive to Santa Cruz (Santa Cruz and northward is where you'll find beaches .... cold beaches .... and thick forests. Drive along Highway 1 and 101 as far as you care to go, budget $100 per day or night for cheap motels and food, check out the local classifieds in the cities and towns you go through. Then go back home in total shock.
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08-30-2007, 07:52 PM
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I don't blame you for wanting to get out of Buffalo, NY. I have friends that live there. Not to much fun when you get those scary snow & ice storms.
There are some places in Northern CA that might work. But I think you should spend some time here checking it out first.
08-31-2007, 07:51 PM
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You should stay in Buffalo. A change in region probably won't change your feelings of distress, you'll just have a new region to blame. Your fiance is happy where he is.
09-01-2007, 02:35 PM
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Call it new-age-y, but if I had a basic dread of a place not even having seen it, I just wouldn't put it on my list of possibilities.
Yeah, I know, that would leave out a whole possibility, etc., etc. but you actually said fear and I just don't think the vibes all around this situation could be good.
Also, if you dislike Buffalo, keep looking, but on the east coast. Disliking one town doesn't mean you have to move 2800 miles away. I don't get that reasoning. Why not peek a bit south, like Maryland or whatever?
Some people come to one part or another of California and LOVE it and literally never look back. But other people get a weird "this isn't my vibe" feeling and now are stuck. Moving *back to* a place you relocated *from* is often financially impossible, or at least very very difficult, because the initial relocation sets you back as it is. Moving costs, etc. And then possibly one or both of you not having a job for a period of time...housing being higher...wear and tear on the car from commuting, along with frequent oil changes and tuneups from that same wear and tear...you could be set WAY, and I mean WAY back if you just come out to California sight unseen for a change of pace. Then you'll just never have the funds to move back, yet won't quite have the funds to "make it" here, and will find yourself dipping lower and lower in your circumstances. No, I'm not saying that WILL happen, but that it most definitely could.
My aunt spent ten years trying to get back to the east coast from the west coast.
Don't jump right into California. Even if you plan to go out once or twice. You can NOT make a huge decision like this on just one or two visits. Those visits will be vacation. Of course they'll seem fabulous. You just really need to be a lot more rational about this than your post indicates. Good luck and I hope you find the place of your dreams.
09-01-2007, 10:11 PM
Location: California
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Moonshadows, look up the city Foresthill, CA. It's about 20 minutes north of Roseville/Rocklin which are basically shopping and restaurant suburbia. You're at the base of the mountains leading to Tahoe. You're 30-60 minutes from Sacramento (depending on time of day you travel), and a touch over an hour from Tahoe. The beach is about 3-4 hours if you ever feel the need to do that for a weekend, and San Francisco is within 2 hours as well. You won't find much crime in that area at all. It does snow some up there in the winter, but coming from Buffalo it will be a joke. (I grew up in Montana)
Housing values are taking a hit up there as well, so there will be some great opportunities for property, and in addition most plots are large in comparison with the suburb areas... so as long as you don't mind using a lawnmower you'll have a nice space.
If it wasn't for the commute I'd probably look at a house there myself. I've been in CA for 7 years now, and city to city it's not much different than the biggest city in Montana. The main difference is people tend to ignore each other in general here, compared to where I grew up.
09-04-2007, 03:11 PM
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There are some really beautiful forested areas near Sacramento, etc. on the 5 fwy up north of Sacramento. Specific city names to look at are Auburn and Rocklin. Small communitites that are surrounded by forest. The poster that replied with Calaveras county was right on as well. It seems that your fear is probably of Southern California. And you'd be right to avoid this area if you fear drug use, crime, sprawl, etc. We've got it all here...and it seems to get worse. However, Northern California is much nicer. More beautiful, more green, lots of nice folks, etc.
I know that this reply comes about a week after your initial post, so I hope that you are still able to read it and get some info that is useful. I encourage you to come and visit and look up those cities and counties on the web. You're sure to find someplace that you both can agree on. Just stick north of Sacramento and you should be in Cali Heaven....
Good luck to you!!!
09-04-2007, 07:40 PM
Location: Tijuana Exurbs
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I am trying to figure out why I have this fear. It's really stupid. But I have this fear of going to California. I have no idea why. I've never been there before. I keep thinking that there is alot of drug use there, I keep thinking the crime rate is extremely high, that it's over populated. That it doesn't take care of its land, that its overly expensive and you don't get paid alot, there a re no jobs and so on..... but I have this HUGE fear of going or moving there I'm trying really REALLY hard to overcome this and i'm not sure how to.
The reason you have this fear is because for the past 10 - 20 years there has been an unofficial underground movement to bad mouth the state of California in all respects, and in all venues, so as to discourage new people from moving here.
This movement has been encouraged online in blogs, over the air on the radio and on TV, and in opinion essays in newspapers.
The result is that the small areas of blight are given huge play in the media and in movies, and all the normal safe places where 90% of the people live are given no airtime. It's done to California's reputation what the movie the Out of Towners did for New York City.
And apparently within the United States this rebranding of California has worked, as Americans are no longer net immigrants into the state. However, outside of the country the migration flow still comes, and comes, nearly a million every year.
09-05-2007, 01:12 AM
Location: Tennessee
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Fear California, go to Oregon. You will be struggling here and will live in an apartment for the rest of your life and pay too much for health ins. & car ins. and everything else. God forbid something bad happens and you are financially ruined because you were barely scraping by to begin with, even if you do have a good career or collegde degree. We are leaving to Tennessee in a week from Cali and my parents will eventually move to Oregon or Washington. The future here is dismal.
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Most Common Occupations - Transportation occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Material moving occupations (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - Correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Federal prisons and detention centers (%)
People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)