Even profitable firms fleeing California

[sholomar]

at this point I don't give a crap about the corporations... they are paying such slave labor wages that if they are leaving because CA actually wants livable wages paid, well to hell with them. Jobs that used to pay $20 per hour now pay $8.50 to $10 because of corporate greed. Everything is getting outsourced, regardless of the state. It's all become about the bottom line and stock price. Corporations can rot in hell.

Used to be a republican too.. but now I see this cut taxes for the rich, let the illegals flood in, keep the dollar 'strong' mess for what it really is, pure unadulterated greed. Now I'm a libertarian, because the democrats are no better. Both those parties are controlled by the banking cartel and to a lessor degree zionists.

Thus both sides keep pushing to meddle in the middle east, and won't make any real, serious change. Ron Paul is the only candidate for this change, and thus he gets ignored and/or ridiculed. Republicans can't afford to kick him out, because being independent, he would take away a win from them for sure. But they don't like him.

[nslander]

Originally Posted by stockwiz

at this point I don't give a crap about the corporations... they are paying such slave labor wages that if they are leaving because CA actually wants livable wages paid, well to hell with them. Jobs that used to pay $20 per hour now pay $8.50 to $10 because of corporate greed. Everything is getting outsourced, regardless of the state. It's all become about the bottom line and stock price. Corporations can rot in hell.

Used to be a republican too.. but now I see this cut taxes for the rich, let the illegals flood in, keep the dollar 'strong' mess for what it really is, pure unadulterated greed. Now I'm a libertarian, because the democrats are no better. Both those parties are controlled by the banking cartel and to a lessor degree zionists.

Thus both sides keep pushing to meddle in the middle east, and won't make any real, serious change. Ron Paul is the only candidate for this change, and thus he gets ignored and/or ridiculed. Republicans can't afford to kick him out, because being independent, he would take away a win from them for sure. But they don't like him.

I agree with you in principal. However, maybe we need to stop passively looking to political parties to accede to our wishes, and instead force them to bend to our will.

W/r/t to Libertarianism: I've long believed that is the default non-answer from those who see the GOP for what it is. I read this yesterday, but I could have written something very similar myself. Please don't dismiss this critique simply because of the source.

Daily Kos: Why Libertarianism Doesn't Work

Buy yeah, people are finally looking behind the curtain.

[nullgeo]

Originally Posted by nslander

... yeah, people are finally looking behind the curtain.

People have always looked behind the curtain ... they see the wizards pulling levers ... and so what? This is how the world works: smoke and mirrors, levers and pulleys, puppets and dummies (yeah, literally ). Exit hunter-gatherer land : enter bullsh*t masqueradesville, full of uniforms and costumes, ties and suits, military medals and scrambled eggs on hat brims, and figures in the shadows, dressed in black with their hands up the puppets' and dummies' arses making them dance.

So what?

Once you take note, what are you going to do? And, importantly, why? Save the world? From what? Human nature?

Go fishing. Go sailing. Go visit your kids and grandkids. Take a walk with the dogs. Have a picnic. Build houses. Fix cars. Ride horses. Clean restrooms. Grow asparagus. Give someone a helping hand who is down on their luck. Pick fruit. Pick your nose.

[nslander]

Originally Posted by nullgeo

People have always looked behind the curtain ... they see the wizards pulling levers ... and so what? This is how the world works: smoke and mirrors, levers and pulleys, puppets and dummies (yeah, literally ). Exit hunter-gatherer land : enter bullsh*t masqueradesville, full of uniforms and costumes, ties and suits, military medals and scrambled eggs on hat brims, and figures in the shadows, dressed in black with their hands up the puppets' and dummies' arses making them dance.

So what?

Once you take note, what are you going to do? And, importantly, why? Save the world? From what? Human nature?

Go fishing. Go sailing. Go visit your kids and grandkids. Take a walk with the dogs. Have a picnic. Build houses. Fix cars. Ride horses. Clean restrooms. Grow asparagus. Give someone a helping hand who is down on their luck. Pick fruit. Pick your nose.

Effect change. Human history is not static or perfectly linear.

[nslander]

Originally Posted by nullgeo

Go fishing. Go sailing. Go visit your kids and grandkids. Take a walk with the dogs. Have a picnic. Build houses. Fix cars. Ride horses. Clean restrooms. Grow asparagus. Give someone a helping hand who is down on their luck. Pick fruit. Pick your nose.

Well, that was moto for the Wobblies.

[Vascodagama]

Originally Posted by stockwiz

at this point I don't give a crap about the corporations... they are paying such slave labor wages that if they are leaving because CA actually wants livable wages paid, well to hell with them. Jobs that used to pay $20 per hour now pay $8.50 to $10 because of corporate greed. Everything is getting outsourced, regardless of the state. It's all become about the bottom line and stock price. Corporations can rot in hell.

Used to be a republican too.. but now I see this cut taxes for the rich, let the illegals flood in, keep the dollar 'strong' mess for what it really is, pure unadulterated greed. Now I'm a libertarian, because the democrats are no better. Both those parties are controlled by the banking cartel and to a lessor degree zionists.

Thus both sides keep pushing to meddle in the middle east, and won't make any real, serious change. Ron Paul is the only candidate for this change, and thus he gets ignored and/or ridiculed. Republicans can't afford to kick him out, because being independent, he would take away a win from them for sure. But they don't like him.

Both parties and the banking cartel are threatened by Ron Paul ... They will go to great lengths to make sure he does not get elected.

The same group (including republicans) are threatened by the Tea Party ... They don't know what to do with them so the democrats are demonizing them while the republicans are trying to take credit for them ... but the Tea Party is not republican and will vote them out just as fast.

The true Tea Party is not republican or democrat, they are independent and many do support Ron Paul.

[nullgeo]

Originally Posted by nslander

Well, that was moto for the Wobblies.

I confess a soft spot for the Wobblies ... but alas, no, I are not be one. They, like all movements, are limited by the same natural anthropological realities. I do, however, belong to the Dunbar's Number Club and enthusiastically promote a return to hunter-gatherer societies (-- such as the pygmies still live as they dwindle under the pressures of human folly --) the only honest social structure in the history of mankind.

Read the short article:
What is the Monkeysphere? | Cracked.com
or the serious definition:
Dunbar's number - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia