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Old 12-30-2011, 11:27 AM
 
Location: Grosse Ile Michigan
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Local school boards will be able to decide how to implement the mandate and at what grade level the instruction will begin once the law goes into effect.

In sum, its a tremendous excuse for conservatives to torque their panties even tighter.

They will right up to the time that the courts start deciding for them and then the State establishes a position of director of cirriculum approval for sexual preference issues, who will have regional and local directors working under him or her and who will require school borads to also reatin such persons to review and approave every cirriculum in order to continue to recieve state funding.

I do not have a problem with offering such classes as an option if there is extra money laying around. However why would they not alos offer a presentaition of the historical contributions of left handed people, short people, people who had lupis, redheads, people with diabetes, etc.

Is they are going to provide specifi lists or books discussing only homosexuals who contributed to hitroy, will they do the same with hetrosexuals? Will there be seperate books or chapters addressing exclusively heterosexual contributions to histry, homsexual contributions, bi-sexual, etc etc?

This is so typical of Sanremento - laws that sould policitcally PC but get passed withut ever really thinking about them. Subject matter aside, this is a dumb law. Poorly thought out, poorly written and unworkable.

 
Old 12-30-2011, 11:34 AM
 
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I can see the new History books:

"George Washington, an apparent heterosexual at at least four appearances since he was married to Martha, purportedly female, although George may have had some homosexual tendencies since he ran around the battlefield with a large group of men who all slept together in opaque tents and often rolled around in the mud together while training, led the rag tag American army to victory at . . . . "


Abraham Lincoln, who may have been homosexual because he was known to share a bed with other men while traveling, and while this was the norm of the day, Lincoln was taller than most men of his time and therefore would have had to curl up against anyone who was in the bed with him and therefore was undoubtedly at least partially homosexual, issued the emancipation proclamation on. . . . .


"Dwight D. Eisenhower, while a despicable heterosexual, was still a reasonably good general who . . . .

Bill Clinton, who may have been homosexual because he had an affair with an intern who kind of looked like a guy, passed the first bill that. . . .

Of course they will now have to find history books that describe the sexual orientation of every historical figure addressed in the book. Maybe they can include a table and put it on the exams.

Homosexual historical Figures:

Heterosexual Historical figures:

Bi-sexual historical figures:

Asexual historical figures:

Pedophile historical figures:

Historical persons of significance who were into bestiality:

Historical figures of unknown sexual preferences:


Maybe this will be on the ACT. It is certainly something that every student should have knowledge of and memorize.
Wow some one was emotional when they wrote that.

I went and helped ya out Coldjensens. No thanks are necessary.
 
Old 12-30-2011, 11:35 AM
 
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Ok now your on your own.

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They will right up to the time that the courts start deciding for them and then the State establishes a position of director of cirriculum approval for sexual preference issues, who will have regional and local directors working under him or her and who will require school borads to also reatin such persons to review and approave every cirriculum in order to continue to recieve state funding.

I do not have a problem with offering such classes as an option if there is extra money laying around. However why would they not alos offer a presentaition of the historical contributions of left handed people, short people, people who had lupis, redheads, people with diabetes, etc.

Is they are going to provide specifi lists or books discussing only homosexuals who contributed to hitroy, will they do the same with hetrosexuals? Will there be seperate books or chapters addressing exclusively heterosexual contributions to histry, homsexual contributions, bi-sexual, etc etc?

This is so typical of Sanremento - laws that sould policitcally PC but get passed withut ever really thinking about them. Subject matter aside, this is a dumb law. Poorly thought out, poorly written and unworkable.
 
Old 12-30-2011, 05:59 PM
 
Location: California
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Sorry! I don't see how someone's sexual preference makes history. If they did something great it should be in history but not because they are gay. What if your bisexual? Would that be a seperate text book?
 
Old 12-30-2011, 06:15 PM
 
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Sorry! I don't see how someone's sexual preference makes history. If they did something great it should be in history but not because they are gay. What if your bisexual? Would that be a seperate text book?
Well, the Marquis de Sade would beg to differ ... I can actually quote quite a few others, but I will leave the exercise to other imaginations ...
 
Old 12-30-2011, 06:39 PM
 
Location: A bit further north than before
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Sorry! I don't see how someone's sexual preference makes history. If they did something great it should be in history but not because they are gay. What if your bisexual? Would that be a seperate text book?

The discussion isn't whether historical person X was gay or not, it would be centered on how issues of the day affected and were affected by sexual politics. Think of how race or religious politics played such a large role in events of the 60s and 70s, same principle applied to gender.
 
Old 01-01-2012, 04:19 PM
 
Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
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Gays were identified as an entire sub cultural group not by themselves but rather from society at large many years ago when social moral controls dictated that all homosexuals must be irradicated (ie: burnt at the stake) By passing this sort of dictate it cemented them as a unified group. Consider people today who say, like to be on top or maybe they like to be on the bottom during their "encounters". Niether one of these groups are thought of as a cultural group, because no one said at any point in history they must all be erradicated. Peoples with different colour hair were ignored. When you attack a group you identified them as a group/culture and it is you who must accept responsibiltiy for being the cultural powerhouses they are today. If you don't like a group....just ignore them, unless they are putting you at risk, of course, and the GLBT has never put anyone at risk
 
Old 01-01-2012, 05:12 PM
 
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Gays were identified as an entire sub cultural group not by themselves but rather from society at large many years ago when social moral controls dictated that all homosexuals must be irradicated (ie: burnt at the stake) By passing this sort of dictate it cemented them as a unified group. Consider people today who say, like to be on top or maybe they like to be on the bottom during their "encounters". Niether one of these groups are thought of as a cultural group, because no one said at any point in history they must all be erradicated. Peoples with different colour hair were ignored. When you attack a group you identified them as a group/culture and it is you who must accept responsibiltiy for being the cultural powerhouses they are today. If you don't like a group....just ignore them, unless they are putting you at risk, of course, and the GLBT has never put anyone at risk
Funny how people have a problem with "gay history" being taught, and have no problem with history of movements for the rights for other minority groups--this is nothing but homophobia which is not even veiled. At schools, they like teach you "history" of what's made by white males mostly, so it's one-group history anyway, for the most part. There're various ethnic studies departments, women's studies, etc, LGBT is long overdue. There have been quee*r studies classes taught at Cal State recently and luckily some teachers managed to include women's and LGBT rights into Asian American studies, etc--thankful to these teachers for helping out.

By the way, this forum tries to filter out the word quee*r--as in LGBTQ--since when this is an insult? This is a name of the group proudly worn by many. If someone'd try to use this as an insult, that'd be just laughable.
 
Old 01-02-2012, 10:37 AM
 
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Funny how people have a problem with "gay history" being taught, and have no problem with history of movements for the rights for other minority groups--this is nothing but homophobia which is not even veiled. At schools, they like teach you "history" of what's made by white males mostly, so it's one-group history anyway, for the most part. There're various ethnic studies departments, women's studies, etc, LGBT is long overdue. There have been quee*r studies classes taught at Cal State recently and luckily some teachers managed to include women's and LGBT rights into Asian American studies, etc--thankful to these teachers for helping out.

By the way, this forum tries to filter out the word quee*r--as in LGBTQ--since when this is an insult? This is a name of the group proudly worn by many. If someone'd try to use this as an insult, that'd be just laughable.
I hate when people try to compare 400 years of slavery, jim crow, and oppression to some crap about gays being treated unfairly. Really? So you think gays who cross all color lines have faced the same crap Blacks have historically? Get out of here with that. It's offensive to even begin to compare, especially since Gay Blacks get treated like crap from racist white gays which was told by a professor of mine who's dating a black man. Even within the Gay Community you have white gays treating non white gays like crap.
 
Old 01-02-2012, 07:51 PM
 
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Do people really believe that 2 men having sex with each other is normal behavior?
Some of the teaching union leaders of NEA, DEA and CTA are homosexual.
The teacher's union gave over 1 million dollars to support gay marriage in the California's Proposition 8 . California Teacher's Association's motivation is that people should accept sex between 2 men or 2 women is normal. This issue is not about educating kids, but to teach tolerance of this abnormal behavior.
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