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Old 09-18-2012, 05:12 PM
 
Location: Spokane, WA
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.highnlite,
I must have missed your post about the time you lived outside California and only paid 1.3% difference in taxes. I think you grew up on your 1,000 acre family ranch in California then lived for 40 years in Truckee, California and you are now back on your family ranch in California. Experience is not siting a website it is providing actual experience related to the posters question. Which is what I provided. Talk about defensive.... your response to ExpatCA was pretty darn defensive. May the Lord be with you and keep you! Cheers!!

 
Old 09-18-2012, 05:14 PM
 
Location: Spokane, WA
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If you were paying $10,000 in income taxes on an income of $100,000, well, you should've hired someone that knew how to do taxes....that is far more than what you should have paid.

Also, if one does apples-to-apples comparisons of real estate, California real estate isn't dramatically more than the rest of the country. Of course, everyone is doing apples-to-oranges comparisons. "Oh gee, this house on a swamp in the middle of no-where is so much cheaper than Orange County!!".

Anyhow, I've lived in other states and have done detailed comparisons between California and some other states and this is what I always find:

- The tax burden for low/mid income Californians is less than/equal to most comparable states.
- The tax burden starts to become higher in California once households start to make over $100,000 a year.
- Taxes related to business are often higher in other states. For example, I found that if I moved my business to Texas I'd pay more in taxes, not less. That is because property taxes in Texas are rather high and they have a business revenue tax (where as California only taxes profit).
Are you offering your services to re-do my tax returns?
 
Old 09-18-2012, 05:17 PM
 
Location: Police State
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CA isn't going to tax you out, it may nickel and dime you into being perpetually annoyed especially when you see how that money is spent , but "tax you out" is a bit of hyperbole.

My alternative to CA would be Austin, TX, Sedona or Flagstaff, AZ, or back to Hawaii.
 
Old 09-18-2012, 05:51 PM
 
Location: SW MO
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Here! This ought to give everyone plenty of ammunition to fight one another with. The per capita figures are particulary interesting.

http://taxfoundation.org:81/sites/ta...ocs/ff2012.pdf

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Old 09-18-2012, 05:53 PM
 
Location: San Luis Obispo and Santa Barbara Counties
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someone figured it out. All the quibbling by the quibblers and they could have done what Curmudgeon did and spend a few seconds with google.
 
Old 09-18-2012, 07:34 PM
 
Location: Spokane, WA
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someone figured it out. All the quibbling by the quibblers and they could have done what Curmudgeon did and spend a few seconds with google.
Since you know it all .highnlite, do us all a favor and stay off this forum. This forum is for people to share their experiences with those that do not have all the answers. Another .Highnlite thought bubble: ," Oh goodie, Curmudgeon found my favorite website, now everybody has to believe me". We have all looked at your beloved website and dismissed their findings based on our real life experience. Cheers!!!
 
Old 09-18-2012, 07:37 PM
 
Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Are you offering your services to re-do my tax returns?
No, just pointing out that if you paid that much someone was doing something seriously wrong.... But considering that it would be difficult for someone to mess up California's income tax return that bad, you're likely just making up numbers. I don't know, its almost like you looked at the top tax bracket and applied it to your entire income....of course that isn't how it works.

Regardless a single household making $100,000 in California would pay between $3,000~$4,500 depending on deductions, a married household between $1,800~$3,000 depending on deductions.

One thing I've always liked about California income taxes is that they more or less mirror federal taxes, so the same strategies that lower your federal tax bill also lower your state tax bill (e.g., retirement savings, mortgage interest deduction, HSA, etc).

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Old 09-18-2012, 09:03 PM
 
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Since you know it all .highnlite, do us all a favor and stay off this forum. This forum is for people to share their experiences with those that do not have all the answers. Another .Highnlite thought bubble: ," Oh goodie, Curmudgeon found my favorite website, now everybody has to believe me". We have all looked at your beloved website and dismissed their findings based on our real life experience. Cheers!!!
I haven't dismissed the website's findings at all.

By the way, I also live and own multiple properties in Washington state. Taxes on my WA real estate are a major hit to the wallet -- compensates for the state's lack of income tax you know ...

As for .highnlite's posts: I find them far more informative than, ummm, the bible, for starters ... and vastly more entertaining ...
 
Old 09-19-2012, 07:12 AM
 
Location: Quimper Peninsula
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We have all looked at your beloved website and dismissed their findings based on our real life experience. Cheers!!!
Please share... your findings
I find the data quite accurate. Wisconsin and California have about the same tax burden.... Though I will admit, it is all a hoax, one needs to consider the total cost to get an accurate perspective.... However, one will quickly become a Socialist if you do that, because if you consider health care and education in the total cost one will discover Northern European citizen's are actually paying less than we are even though their taxes are "higher"...

Wow look at those health care companies stocks rise! Someone is making a killing on us poor smucks. Or for that matter stealing our tax dollars paid into medicare and other health programs..
Tenet Healthcare Takes Over #490 Spot From First Horizon National - Forbes
 
Old 09-19-2012, 08:44 AM
 
Location: SW MO
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Since you know it all .highnlite, do us all a favor and stay off this forum. This forum is for people to share their experiences with those that do not have all the answers. Another .Highnlite thought bubble: ," Oh goodie, Curmudgeon found my favorite website, now everybody has to believe me". We have all looked at your beloved website and dismissed their findings based on our real life experience. Cheers!!!
You're funny. This coming from a relatively newbie poster who lives in Washington. And you presume to speak for everyone ("We all...").

One thing I will have to say for .highn lite is that he usually knows whereof he speaks and he does know California extremely well. We don't always - sometimes even rarely - agree but then again, we're not required to. In the final analysis, CA is No. 6 on the tax scale (high) and living in State No. 33 we do realize some savings but some of those, such as age deductions, would have translated to lower taxes in CA as well. In the end it all comes down to where you want to live. It certainly wasn't Washington.

By the way, I have no idea whether or not the site I posted is the one he used, nor do I care.
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