The Great California Exodus (San Francisco, Stanford: unemployed, legally, safe)

[Curmudgeon]

Originally Posted by .highnlite

Oh, I forgot, "ancestral ranch" on the coast of California, heir to the highest level of civilization yet achieved by man.



Truly, is anyone going to miss Campbell's soup? Really. By the way, there are aproximately 2,000,000 corporations in California, any hints you have on getting more out of here, please let us know, enquiring minds etc.



Your post complained of conditions in Mordor, yet you are in a completely different state, why on earth would conditions in Mordor or the rest of the state be of any interest to you? Texas is fine, tepid, insipid landscape, except in the far west. Living east of the 100th meridian works for some people, for others, it would be dreadfully boring.

I do not advocate the beauty of California so much as the variety and amount of public land. Apparently you live in Texas.

Texas is 171,891,840, acres in size with no more than about 2,000,000 of those acres, public land. Out of that 2,000,000 acres of public land, Texas has about 86,000 acres of designated wilderness.

For the fun of it, lets look at one of the chief California bashers current state, Missouri 44,090,000 acres in size, or about the size of the land area of California that is, by law, uninhabited.

Out of that acreage Missouri has about 3,000,000 acres of public land. More than Texas. and has about 72,000 acres of wilderness, or nearly as much as Texas, yet Texas is almost 4 times larger.

California is about 104,786,000 acres in size, with 43,700,000 acres of public land, roughly 43% of the state and 14,000,000 acres of wilderness.

Or roughly 14 times the wilderness acres of Missouri or Texas. Now, one can quibble over relative values of scenery, but, the numbers don't lie, and for many in CA, those numbers make life in CA worth while.

Now lets look at my personal favorite state, America's Last Best Place, Nevada is about 70,264,320 acres of which 58,226,015.6 is public land. About 82% of the state. Nevada has 733,400 acres of designated wilderness, or roughly 10 times Missouri or Texas.

Of course, for indoor people those numbers are meaningless, and it matters not a whit where they live, but, for out door people, the West, is the place to be.

Signifying little and meaning even less; like most of your blow-hard posts. Hate to deflate your ten gallon hat but when it comes to space, land and scenery, YOU DIDN'T MAKE THAT!

You may now chew on and twist these numbers: Civic Report 71 | The Great California Exodus: A Closer Look

By the way, about 20% of California's "open" land is desert. Some of us like our land green.

[nullgeo]

Originally Posted by BlackShoe

More grim news, California leads all states in public debt, $617 billion. But still the leftists on this forum will respond with their usual head-in-the-sand manner, and insist, as they always have, that everything in just fine and that there is nothing to worry about, and that such warnings are just right wing propaganda and hysteria.
www.ocregister.com/opinion/state-372854-california-tax.html

It also leads all states in GDP and revenue, for crying out loud ...
debt is an issue relative to several factors:
1. income
2. potential

California exceeds pretty much every other state in those categories ... indeed, it leads most of the countries in the world in those categories ... and, in fact, California's debt : income ratio is better than the US government's ...

[.highnlite]

Originally Posted by Curmudgeon

Signifying little and meaning even less; like most of your blow-hard posts. Hate to deflate your ten gallon hat but when it comes to space, land and scenery, YOU DIDN'T MAKE THAT!

You may now chew on and twist these numbers: Civic Report 71 | The Great California Exodus: A Closer Look

By the way, about 20% of California's "open" land is desert. Some of us like our land green.

I find it rather amusing but am thankful that there are those who don't find the desert appealing. Two dry and therefore unappealing photos, right?

[nullgeo]

Originally Posted by 5thgenSF

no. easily a two or more hour commute in traffic to SF. one of those has no inside pictures (read "dump") and another one says it needs a new kitchen and kitchen floor. a few of those do look nice but you'll have the commute from hell.

No. You apparently missed the key issues I was responding to re: the other poster having moved to Oklahoma. My examples from Rio Vista are not made as commutable ... though some people do commute those distances. The poster moved from S. California to a rural town in Oklahoma "to get away from it all" ... "It" being the crush and hustle and bustle and her memories of a lifetime in the one area. I am happy she got away as she wanted. I think it's great she's found what she wants in Oklahoma. I make no jest of that. I merely point out that escaping what she was escaping does not require drastic moves.

As for a place being a "dump" because it needs a new kitchen and kitchen floor ... umm, that's what people who can't do the work themselves hire small contractors for ... which, by the way, keeps the economy moving along ... and which, by the way, is affordable when one only pays less than $100K or so for one's house.

I go to Rio Vista every year and stay in the area camping for a while to enjoy the Delta countryside and rivers and fishing. Hella nice town. And, other than rush hours, I CAN be in downtown S.F. in about an hour and 15.

[Curmudgeon]

Originally Posted by .highnlite

I find it rather amusing but am thankful that there are those who don't find the desert appealing. Two dry and therefore unappealing photos, right?

Correct, But that's strictly a personal preference, or lack thereof. Others like it. Big deal!

[5thgenSF]

Originally Posted by nullgeo

No. You apparently missed the key issues I was responding to re: the other poster having moved to Oklahoma. My examples from Rio Vista are not made as commutable ... though some people do commute those distances. The poster moved from S. California to a rural town in Oklahoma "to get away from it all" ... "It" being the crush and hustle and bustle and her memories of a lifetime in the one area. I am happy she got away as she wanted. I think it's great she's found what she wants in Oklahoma. I make no jest of that. I merely point out that escaping what she was escaping does not require drastic moves.

As for a place being a "dump" because it needs a new kitchen and kitchen floor ... umm, that's what people who can't do the work themselves hire small contractors for ... which, by the way, keeps the economy moving along ... and which, by the way, is affordable when one only pays less than $100K or so for one's house.

I go to Rio Vista every year and stay in the area camping for a while to enjoy the Delta countryside and rivers and fishing. Hella nice town. And, other than rush hours, I CAN be in downtown S.F. in about an hour and 15.

you're right. i missed that earlier part. my apologies. but no, i wasn't saying it was a dump because it needed a kitchen floor... the dump was the other one with only outside pictures.

[nullgeo]

Originally Posted by 5thgenSF

you're right. i missed that earlier part. my apologies. but no, i wasn't saying it was a dump because it needed a kitchen floor... the dump was the other one with only outside pictures.

Yeah. That's okay. And those are just a sampling out of a big list. Go up in price on the list to where most people would still think is a bargain and see what you get ... i.e. in the $200K range.

It's quiet out in the Delta. I love it ... I had a liveaboard boat nearby in Isleton ... not sorry I got rid of that particular boat (whew!) ... but I miss having my place there.

[.highnlite]

Originally Posted by Curmudgeon

Correct, But that's strictly a personal preference, or lack thereof. Others like it. Big deal!

As my mother is wont to say; "A difference of opinion is what marries ugly women and sells bad horses, and moves to flat buggy humid ground,"

[Curmudgeon]

Originally Posted by .highnlite

As my mother is wont to say; "A difference of opinion is what marries ugly women and sells bad horses, and moves to flat buggy humid ground,"

Then you came by your unpleasantness honestly!

[JGC97]

Originally Posted by .highnlite

Either one accepts capitalism, or one is a socialist, with capitalism, profit is the imperative, I trust you have no problem with that, not being a socialist and all.

Seems strange that in today's world, if you show a little sensitivity for 700 people who are going to lose their job, it implies you are a socialist. Pfft! You're a real hoot!