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Location: Central Bay Area, CA as of Jan 2010...but still a proud Texan from Houston!
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I worked for 40 years in a state like that, a state businesses avoid due to its lack of infrastructure
You can say anything, but your positions, including the emotional beliefs preferred to fact, are Conservative.
I think that is a great idea.
I am not sure what you are talking about, disability insurance? Never heard of it.
Free handouts? No free search and rescue by CHP and National Guard aircraft?
What is this terrible path? And why is it something you appear to fret so dreadfully over, when, you could buy a sailboat and spend some time on one of the best sailing waters in the world, right out your door and enjoy life
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Umm sorry to alert you but CHP search and rescue and the National Guard are not a part of social services...it is quite frightening that you don't know the difference Do you even know the difference between day and night? Do you consider the military part of social services as well?
Again you are one clueless human. Good luck with that
BTW I have been a registered Dem (since they are the lesser of the two evils IMO) since I was 18 years old and I have never voted for a Republican.
I am just not a stupid bleeding heart liberal who believes in spending what you don't have and expecting everyone else to foot the bill for my beliefs.
Nor a person who believes in enabling those who are fully capable of working and contributing...to become social parasites.
BTW did this (see below) just go right over your bleeding heart liberal head?
Think about this...if you can add two and two. If you rely on a personal state income tax to generate money for the state...what do you think happens when the state has 10%-12% unemployment and hundreds of undocumented workers? A lot less money is generated for the state...right? So then what happens...your govt. pulls on your heart strings and threatens to cut social services and the bleeding heart liberals run to the polls and vote to raise taxes since they can't bear to see the govt. cut back on free hand outs. See the cycle that has been occuring here? Get it now?
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Originally Posted by .highnlite
I am not sure what you are talking about, disability insurance? Never heard of it...
If you work in CA just look on your paycheck stub under deductions and see CA SUI/SDI. It is not a choice here since we must pay into the entire state for everyone else…thus the largest disability scamming system in the US exits right here.
I take it you also did not know this since you clearly don't earn a working in CA paycheck.
I got to jump in on that "one of the top economists in the country" comment my self... Is it not those economists and their Keynesian policies that got us in this mess...??????
Williams Keynesian? Not hardly, he is a Libertarian/Conservative and believes firmly in free market capitalism.
Interesting article about the upper middle class and rich leaving California and how the state might still be able to hold onto some of their money.
Link to article posted earlier in post #443. Williams last remarks are meant to be sarcastic, not to be taken seriously. Setting up border checkpoints like the former Soviet bloc nations to keep Californians from leaving? Come on now folks, read between the lines.
Link to article posted earlier in post #443. Williams last remarks are meant to be sarcastic, not to be taken seriously. Setting up border checkpoints like the former Soviet bloc nations to keep Californians from leaving? Come on now folks, read between the lines.
Oh puh-leeze! You read something into that article that wasn't there. You're right about Williams being sarcastic but nobody is talking about border checkpoints. Nobody cares if you cross state lines. It's the MONEY that people are taking with them when they move to another state.
About 20 years ago, CA tried to go after the pensions of retired people who moved to other states. The thinking in Sacramento was that if you worked for a company in CA for 30 years, the pension was also earned in CA. Never mind that a retired person no longer lived in CA, didn't use any services in CA or could even vote in CA. The retired person was looking forward to paying taxes on his pension in both CA AND the state he moved to. The courts ended up shooting that idea down but courts can change their minds. I'm sure the desperate people in Sacramento will think of something else as the state grasps for any money they can get their hands on.
Oh puh-leeze! You read something into that article that wasn't there. You're right about Williams being sarcastic but nobody is talking about border checkpoints. Nobody cares if you cross state lines. It's the MONEY that people are taking with them when they move to another state.
About 20 years ago, CA tried to go after the pensions of retired people who moved to other states. The thinking in Sacramento was that if you worked for a company in CA for 30 years, the pension was also earned in CA. Never mind that a retired person no longer lived in CA, didn't use any services in CA or could even vote in CA. The retired person was looking forward to paying taxes on his pension in both CA AND the state he moved to. The courts ended up shooting that idea down but courts can change their minds. I'm sure the desperate people in Sacramento will think of something else as the state grasps for any money they can get their hands on.
Yeah! Taxation without representation was not real popular with the court. It was after that the boondoggle, the so called "source tax," was overturned that I made my decision to retire ABC-Anywhere But California. I'm sure I wasn't alone in that. But leave it to California!
You have given no examples of a downside to emigration. You have given an example of the upside.
Declining revenues by default require smaller government, one would think that the proponents of smaller government would understand that. Seems clear to me.
Let me rephrase the question, rather than ask for the downside to emigration, which no one seems to be able to answer. Let us ask another question.
Who thinks the state would be worse off with 20,000,000 or 10,000,000 people.
Let me repeat this, it appears that those who look back to a golden age of less population and less government spending are exactly those who are complaining about emigration.
...you posit regression to a static state. Neither of which has occurred in California, more than minimally, yet...
Although likely you will dismiss the experiences of those who do not agree with you... I have lived in states that went through recent regression and are quite static. I actually understand the allure... There is a false sense of safety, of security, in a lack of change. But, IMO, those states generally do not accept social and financial class mobility, instead preferring strict separation of familial/independent wealth, the labor class, and those wedded to social services. Some of us are unwilling to accept this for ourselves or our children... How very selfish and dynamic of us, hugh?
...you posit regression to a static state. Neither of which has occurred in California, more than minimally, yet...
Although likely you will dismiss the experiences of those who do not agree with you... I have lived in states that went through recent regression and are quite static. I actually understand the allure... There is a false sense of safety, of security, in a lack of change. But, IMO, those states generally do not accept social and financial class mobility, instead preferring strict separation of familial/independent wealth, the labor class, and those wedded to social services. Some of us are unwilling to accept this for ourselves or our children... How very selfish and dynamic of us, hugh?
Perhaps your arguments would be more persuasive if written more clearly. States don't accept or prefer anything so that sentence makes no sense to me. Also, I'm unfamiliar with the term "regression" as a synonym for population decline, if that's what you meant by it. This reads more like an article in an academic journal than an editorial.
...you posit regression to a static state. Neither of which has occurred in California, more than minimally, yet...
Although likely you will dismiss the experiences of those who do not agree with you... I have lived in states that went through recent regression and are quite static. I actually understand the allure... There is a false sense of safety, of security, in a lack of change. But, IMO, those states generally do not accept social and financial class mobility, instead preferring strict separation of familial/independent wealth, the labor class, and those wedded to social services. Some of us are unwilling to accept this for ourselves or our children... How very selfish and dynamic of us, hugh?
Humor? Evasive? I think not. Your concerns, whether valid or not, do not concern me. I have no interest in a sense of safety or security false or not.
I have no interest in anything provided by a lack of change, and in fact I am in favor of massive change, massive emigration
I could not care any less about social or financial class mobility, or familial/independent wealth, the labor class or anyone wedded to social services. In fact, I am in favor of massive reductions in social services.
Of course "some of us are unwilling etc" just as some of us are willing, and others of us don't care or think about it at all, that is human nature.
Your post sounds like someone read some Karl Marxian material, and transliterated, not exceptionally successfully.
I am not very concerned about the needs of mankind. I don't care much about mankind, people manage, people survive, people prosper as they will, or will not.
If the worst possible scenario occurred, life in America would still be better than most of the world, through most of history.
I do like the idea of needing a 4x4 to visit Los Angeles.
If you read through the posts of those who complain about California, their complaints are typically vague, but many refer back to a mythological "golden age" perhaps the 1950's or 1960's.
Now I could make the case that their argument is based on returning to a white majority, fewer Mexicans and or Asians etc, but I won't try to make that case.
Instead, I think it is clear that what they want is the days of lower population, in that I concur whole heartedly.
Less people, fewer taxes going to the state, fewer services needed or supplied. Now some have argued that the legislature would simply borrow money. Yet, the state's credit rating should crash, making borrowing difficult.
I applaud the decision of each person who leaves the state, it is a grand state to wander 'aboot' in.
There are 62 paved roads from which to choose for departure
Location: San Luis Obispo and Santa Barbara Counties
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Originally Posted by TVC15
Umm sorry to alert you but CHP search and rescue and the National Guard are not a part of social services...it is quite frightening that you don't know the difference Do you even know the difference between day and night? Do you consider the military part of social services as well?
You said free handouts, you did not specify what those might be. We can include Calfire here, they should drive up, get their credit card machine out, eh? The military is indeed the largest socialist organization in these here United States.
Again you are one clueless human. Good luck with that
More hostility, odd to see in a girl.
BTW I have been a registered Dem (since they are the lesser of the two evils IMO) since I was 18 years old and I have never voted for a Republican.
I have not addressed party, I have addressed psychological operants
BTW did this (see below) just go right over your bleeding heart liberal head?
Have you actually read anything I have ever posted that might indicate I am a liberal, bleeding or not? In truth I am the last living member of the Bullmoose Party.
Think about this...if you can add two and two. If you rely on a personal state income tax to generate money for the state...what do you think happens when the state has 10%-12% unemployment and hundreds of undocumented workers? A lot less money is generated for the state...right? So then what happens...your govt. pulls on your heart strings and threatens to cut social services and the bleeding heart liberals run to the polls and vote to raise taxes since they can't bear to see the govt. cut back on free hand outs. See the cycle that has been occuring here? Get it now?
You have conjectured, based on what you believe, that is your right, but it is just conjecture
If you work in CA just look on your paycheck stub under deductions and see CA SUI/SDI. It is not a choice here since we must pay into the entire state for everyone else…thus the largest disability scamming system in the US exits right here.
I take it you also did not know this since you clearly don't earn a working in CA paycheck.
Tis true, I do not draw a paycheck in California, and have not since I was a teenager. Yes, I clearly don't earn "a working in CA paycheck" I am but a simple tractor driver/mulero
Less people, fewer taxes going to the state, fewer services needed or supplied. Now some have argued that the legislature would simply borrow money. Yet, the state's credit rating should crash, making borrowing difficult.
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