California's population growth to slow in coming decades

[nullgeo]

Originally Posted by OC Investor2

Rome's population was pushing one million people at its height In the second century and it was the undisputed center of the western world. By the start of the dark ages is was home to as few as 30,000 people and livestock grazed in what we call the forum today. It's population didn't eclipse it's second century high water mark again until the 1800's. It's quite possible that if the RCC had not picked Rome as it's home the city would be another Carthage today, known only to history.

What I don't understand is why you seem to think we have'nt failed until the state becomes a post apocalyptic wasteland.

Aside from you repeatedly trying to compare individual cities to California, as a state -- umm, let's go a bit further with Rome.

Start at the top of the issue: where is Rome today? Abandoned? In ruins? Over-run by poverty-stricken population?

Rome was "sacked" four or five times -- by marauding tribes and enemies -- AND by itself. Yes, Rome "ate itself" for a time ... cannabalizing its own monuments and structures. Why? To build more, newer, better! And each time, it returned to glory.

Why? Because it is such a desirable place, with access to resource economics to boot.

Also quite interestingly it has renewed itself repeatedly in spite of not having, in its microcosm, anywhere near the diversity of values and resources as California enjoys in its 164,000 square miles of agriculture, forests, deserts, coasts, seaports, and every level of the very most modern infrastructures to support global competition at any level that becomes worthwhile.

As for Rome's population once dwindling to a mere 30,000 ... do some global population research ... analyze what 30,000 meant in a world the size of that time in relation to science and learning and commerce.

And, finally, Rome still can't compare to the beauties of California that will always attract the wealthy from around the world. Why do you read about the wealthiest of today's Chinese flocking to buy properties in California, especially the Bay Area?

Life has cycles ... ups and downs ... constantly changing. Get used to it. This Chicken-Little mentality expressed on the forum daily is laughable. You'd think humans had never faced adversity and risen to the occasion before.

[MrBR]

I find that hard to believe. It seems like every day I see a 13 year old girl with 10 kids.

[mysticaltyger]

I think all these folks who think population decline is so great should go to Detroit and then report back to us.

[stevebri]

All the people who have been there for awhile could leave to make room for all the people who want to go there . . .

[nullgeo]

Originally Posted by mysticaltyger

I think all these folks who think population decline is so great should go to Detroit and then report back to us.

I was born and partly raised in Detroit ... It sucked then ... Have returned a number of times over the years ... It still sucks now ... There's your report.

[blauskies]

Originally Posted by nullgeo

I was born and partly raised in Detroit ... It sucked then ... Have returned a number of times over the years ... It still sucks now ... There's your report.

You have not lived till you walked down parts of 8 mile after dark lol!

[nullgeo]

Originally Posted by blauskies

You have not lived till you walked down parts of 8 mile after dark lol!

Or perhaps better said, 'you will not live if you walk parts of 8 Mile ...'

Actually, my first home was less than 2 miles south, toward downtown, of the district to which you refer ... but in those days it had not yet deteriorated to contemporary status. My second home, where I attended high school, after I returned to Detroit from almost ten years in Philadelphia, was closer to 8-Mile, but enough west of your favorite district that I stayed out of the hospital and morgue ... but it was goin' downhill fast at that time. I then returned to Philly for another year and then to Washington D.C. for a year.

Finally I joined the service and volunteered for Vietnam, figuring it couldn't be any worse than where I was raised. But it was. But not by much.

[EclecticEars]

As a person that moved to California for its wide array of urban planning projects and opportunities, slowed growth might actually be a good thing. This will provide California communities with the opportunities to develop and implement long-term, sustainable, pro-smart growth plans that will improve traffic flow and neighborhoods where necessary yet provide flexibility to plan for steady growth. We're already seeing some of these types of projects in the communities along the El Camino Real in the Bay Area.

[blauskies]

Originally Posted by nullgeo

Or perhaps better said, 'you will not live if you walk parts of 8 Mile ...'

Actually, my first home was less than 2 miles south, toward downtown, of the district to which you refer ... but in those days it had not yet deteriorated to contemporary status. My second home, where I attended high school, after I returned to Detroit from almost ten years in Philadelphia, was closer to 8-Mile, but enough west of your favorite district that I stayed out of the hospital and morgue ... but it was goin' downhill fast at that time. I then returned to Philly for another year and then to Washington D.C. for a year.

Finally I joined the service and volunteered for Vietnam, figuring it couldn't be any worse than where I was raised. But it was. But not by much.

Thank you for your service in Vietnam.

Most inner city areas are declining, but Detroit takes the cake. Philly also has parts that went down the crapper since the 60's as I'm sure you have experienced. White flight and places that once were nice and clean, are now run down and with trash all over the streets. Detroit needs to knock down all those empty buildings, it is looking like the South Bronx of the 70's.

I have been to Detroit a number of times, I usually only drive through it on 94 and stayed in hotels out in the burbs, Dearborn or Troy. Those parts were not too bad, but MI is someplace I have no desire to live, based mainly on the winters. Flint and Saginaw are also bad areas.

[nullgeo]

Originally Posted by blauskies

Thank you for your service in Vietnam.

Most inner city areas are declining, but Detroit takes the cake. Philly also has parts that went down the crapper since the 60's as I'm sure you have experienced. White flight and places that once were nice and clean, are now run down and with trash all over the streets. Detroit needs to knock down all those empty buildings, it is looking like the South Bronx of the 70's.

I have been to Detroit a number of times, I usually only drive through it on 94 and stayed in hotels out in the burbs, Dearborn or Troy. Those parts were not too bad, but MI is someplace I have no desire to live, based mainly on the winters. Flint and Saginaw are also bad areas.

My father was critically involved in management and planning of human relations, housing, civil rights issues, and some labor relations, for Chicago, Detroit, and Philadelphia when I was growing up -- and then also as a consultant to cities, states, and federal governments across the nation, including at the White House level. I am deeply aware of urban rise and fall. And one of the positions my family took through it all was to remain in our communities at their level. No private schooling. No fleeing to the suburbs. Etc.

So I rubbed shoulders with a very eclectic range of people as I grew up. I went to speaking engagements at black churches in Harlem, and teas with senators and governors and the wealthy elite they circulate among at private clubs. We hosted the most famous civil rights and labor relations and political figures in contemporary history, in our home. I was dis-impressed with politicians across the board. I was deeply impressed by most civil rights and labor leaders.

And my ultimate reaction to it all was to wander off in search of reality ... just too damn much hob-nobbing and talk and planning and dreaming of better worlds, etc.

It is what it is. Human nature has its limitations.
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