Bill approved to ban plastic bags statewide in California (Banning: how much, buy)

[nullgeo]

Originally Posted by Bummer

Absolutely OUTRAGEOUS, Pac12Fan . . .

The "out of control" politics as well as the brain dead politicians (using that term loosely) was the primary reason I left California in the mid 90's and when I read / hear about more of these ridiculous restrictions confirms that, even after 17 years, I made the correct move.

California is a great state with even greater problems . . . the use of plastic bags is not one of them.

MY TWO CENTS WORTH.

12 states across the country have proposed bans on plastic bags. Many more cities within other states. China banned plastic bags in 2008.

Plastic bags last in the environment for anywhere from 20 to 1000 years, depending on exposure to sunlight mostly. They float around in the ocean by the billions now, destroying marine life and environment upon which we and our children rely for our very survival. All so some plastic bag manufacturs can make money? Some folks think this reduces employment -- compared to choking the life out of our and other species?

Here is an interesting summary of facts on plastic bags ... the website is from Australia:
Plastic Bag Facts

How is this worldwide disaster response an example of something uniquely wrong with California politics?

[Bummer]

Originally Posted by nullgeo

How is this worldwide disaster response an example of something uniquely wrong with California politics?

There are always two sides to a position . . . environmental or otherwise. As an example, the many theories on Global Warming. Yes, the environmental fiasco that made Al Gore a bazillionaire yet he never once "practiced what he preached" . . . NEVER ONCE.

However, if you strongly believe plastic bags are bad, EDUCATE THE PUBLIC but save the bans for more important issues.

[steel7]

Ca is a over-lawned nanny state so im not surprised. I do use the paper bags for trash. I believe it will be a dime per bag. We have a VERY dysfunctional legislature & govenor.

[nullgeo]

Originally Posted by Bummer

There are always two sides to a position . . . environmental or otherwise. As an example, the many theories on Global Warming. Yes, the environmental fiasco that made Al Gore a bazillionaire yet he never once "practiced what he preached" . . . NEVER ONCE.

However, if you strongly believe plastic bags are bad, EDUCATE THE PUBLIC but save the bans for more important issues.

I just did educate the public -- in my small way today.

But you did not answer the question I posed, which is: in what way is this proposed ban an issue demonstrating something dysfunctional about California politics -- or even culture, for that matter -- in particular? You know: as opposed to many other states and countries around the world? You said this was an example of why you left California ... Inferring that there was something uniquely dysfunctional about California because of a ban that is being enacted or proposed all across the nation and around the globe.

[Bummer]

Originally Posted by nullgeo

I just did educate the public -- in my small way today.

But you did not answer the question I posed, which is: in what way is this proposed ban an issue demonstrating something dysfunctional about California politics -- or even culture, for that matter -- in particular? You know: as opposed to many other states and countries around the world? You said this was an example of why you left California ... Inferring that there was something uniquely dysfunctional about California because of a ban that is being enacted or proposed all across the nation and around the globe.

Simply put, Nullgeo . . .

You have cities going or have already declared bankruptcy, your state is so far in debt it'll take years, if ever, to recover, while your clueless governor is more concerned about such things as BANNING PLASTIC BAGS? Promote reusable bags or any other alternative but to declare a ban is ridiculous and just another example of why the State of California is so frequently laughed at by the rest of the country.

That is DYSFUNCTIONAL POLITICS.

[Heidi60]

Europeans have been doing for a long time so I really don't get what the fuss is about. Washing a bag isn't really all that much trouble - toss in the canvas in the washer and line dry.

Now, if they could just do something to bring back and keep our jobs at home, life would perfect!

There is a huge difference between the European Union and plastic bags so I am not saying to follow them down every path, but, if they are adult enough to find alternatives, what are we complaining about?

I keep a small folded nylon bag in my purse for when I do forget to bring in a bag at places like the craft store or pharmacy. The rest of the time most of the people I know have no problem just bringing their bag. It really is no problem, but, for some changing old habits can be a challenge.

[NewToCA]

Originally Posted by Heidi60

Europeans have been doing for a long time so I really don't get what the fuss is about. Washing a bag isn't really all that much trouble - toss in the canvas in the washer and line dry.

Now, if they could just do something to bring back and keep our jobs at home, life would perfect!

And why not replace them with recycled paper bags?

And why do we need to follow Europeans practices? Been following the stories coming out of there recently? Weren't we established so we wouldn't be Europe?

[BayAreaHillbilly]

Plastic ... BAAAAAAAAAAD plastic.

Plastic ... made from BAAAAAAAAAAD oil.

Bad oil, sold by bad men. BAAAAAAAAAAD men, like ones in Norris books.

Me wobbly. Me gonnna thrash BAAAAAAAAD men. /sarc

[nullgeo]

Originally Posted by BayAreaHillbilly

Plastic ... BAAAAAAAAAAD plastic.

Plastic ... made from BAAAAAAAAAAD oil.

Bad oil, sold by bad men. BAAAAAAAAAAD men, like ones in Norris books.

Me wobbly. Me gonnna thrash BAAAAAAAAD men. /sarc

Do you deny that these plastic bags are clogging the oceans and despoiling the environment?
Do you deny they last for typically hundreds of years as trash?
Is that a good thing in your opinion? To trash your environment and kill off large segments of your nutritional future?

[Hemlock140]

Seattle did that and it started last week. It's a revenue source, beefing up the city budget with fines and paper bag fees
while putting a whole new group of people out of work. those things are definitely bad for nature but there are revenue-neutral ways to solve that without banning them, like deposits.