Imagine CA without high taxes, high welfare numbers, illegals, business red tape (San Francisco: rent, to buy)

[.highnlite]

Originally Posted by blauskies

Problem is, that's akin to having champagne taste on a beer budget for many.

Nah, a backpack and sleeping bag and a decent pair of shoes. Half the state is lying their waiting for your foot steps, it is our land.

[blauskies]

Originally Posted by .highnlite

Nah, a backpack and sleeping bag and a decent pair of shoes. Half the state is lying their waiting for your foot steps, it is our land.

Natural resources are nice when nobody knows about them and don't have paved roads leading to them otherwise you have to deal with this.



The Infamous Crowds in Yosemite Valley

[.highnlite]

Originally Posted by blauskies

Natural resources are nice when nobody knows about them and don't have paved roads leading to them otherwise you have to deal with this.



The Infamous Crowds in Yosemite Valley

Just remember if you walk 200 feet off to the side, you have the land to yourself. If you do that off hiway 120 heading south you can walk 250 miles before you hit another road.

[nullgeo]

Originally Posted by .highnlite

Just remember if you walk 200 feet off to the side, you have the land to yourself. If you do that off hiway 120 heading south you can walk 250 miles before you hit another road.

Yes, you can ... still now ... but with another 50 million crowding in to the urban centers, you'd never get out of Urbania over to Yosemite and Hwy 120.

[majoun]

Originally Posted by nullgeo

Hey Reason ... you got me laughing ... of course I'm needling people ... what's the forum for? Solving actual problems? A bunch of knuckleheads idly diverting themselves from being productive all day ...

Now then: no, we're not debating retrogression ... that's never going to happen, unfortunately.
And no, the state won't stay stagnant either.


So, let's go dream teams! Describe California without the taxes and illegals and red tape and welfare you all whine about daily here. Not a single utopian vision expressed yet.

It would not be like the California of the middle 20th century. Mainly because that California is over and done with. Too much has changed in the country and in the state even if the state got back on track economically and became fiscally conservative, friendly to small business, less bureaucratic, and less illegal-friendly.

A California that solved those problems would be a mature state, capable of drawing and sustaining businesses, which would be less prone to boom/bust cycles. It would offer a degree of economic stability that has been missing from the actual California since Prop 13 was passed. It would probably be more along the lines of the Northeastern states. It would have a larger middle class. Perhaps it might be more multi-centric ; instead of packing more people into the largest cities in the state, the second-rung cities in the state could enjoy a new life.

[TrueTimbers]

Originally Posted by nullgeo

Here, I'll start: There will be a sh*tpot of new people streaming into the state from everywhere to work at all the jobs created by the tens of thousands of new employers starting ventures. The state will grow by millions of new, vibrant residents per year.

New housing won't be able to keep up. But with regulations gone, shanty towns will be fine across hill and dale.

State officials will flex their new muscle and completely tap 100% of the water from every adjacent state in pipelines. And, again without regulation, ad hoc nuclear facilities will spring up in backyards across the state to provide power. Human waste and nuclear waste can be simply diverted into the ocean coastline.

Farmers will sell out fertile valley land for housing projects -- who needs food? The smarter farmers will run hogs on the garbage left around the shanty towns and make a killing selling the pork.

Other entrepreneurs will become fabulously rich selling face masks for people to survive the pollution (again: no regulation so why have clean air?) even though the masks won't really do any good against carbon monoxide ....

Any illegals found sneaking across the border will be hung.

Come on folks ... join in ... it takes a forum to build an unregulated California ....

A white third world nation...

No need to fantasize on the outcome, plenty of nations and cities around the world that have had "prosperity" without regulation... A few castles surrounded by bands of declining desirability..... White folks been their done that, back in Mid evil Europe.. aka "the dark ages" ..

[TrueTimbers]

Originally Posted by majoun

Perhaps it might be more multi-centric ; instead of packing more people into the largest cities in the state, the second-rung cities in the state could enjoy a new life.

I believe this is happening. Look at housing costs, the largest most desirable cities on the coast are too expensive for many... the second rung cities, begin to look more attractive.

In my mind one should not make the most desirable packed places more attractive by deregulating and lowering housing costs, but encourage via incentive the growth of second rung cities...

I have yet to figure out the lack of small 20K population self dependent towns in California, like one sees in the midwest or east of the Mississippi.

[nullgeo]

Originally Posted by majoun

It would not be like the California of the middle 20th century. Mainly because that California is over and done with. Too much has changed in the country and in the state even if the state got back on track economically and became fiscally conservative, friendly to small business, less bureaucratic, and less illegal-friendly.

A California that solved those problems would be a mature state, capable of drawing and sustaining businesses, which would be less prone to boom/bust cycles. It would offer a degree of economic stability that has been missing from the actual California since Prop 13 was passed. It would probably be more along the lines of the Northeastern states. It would have a larger middle class. Perhaps it might be more multi-centric ; instead of packing more people into the largest cities in the state, the second-rung cities in the state could enjoy a new life.

I respectfully disagree.

Of course my "vision" was sarcasm. But the flood of immigration from other states was real and would resume. Density of the most desirable areas would increase intensely given deregulations of various kinds. People in nice climates all around the world live in far greater densities than we see in California's coast presently. It would be decimated if deregulated to any degree, allowing greater development.

Furthermore, the water and power and sewage-processing of the state is already drawn beyond even remotely safe capacities to provide. Where would all the new demand find its supply?

Etc.

[analyze_this]

Originally Posted by nullgeo

I respectfully disagree.

Of course my "vision" was sarcasm. But the flood of immigration from other states was real and would resume. Density of the most desirable areas would increase intensely given deregulations of various kinds. People in nice climates all around the world live in far greater densities than we see in California's coast presently. It would be decimated if deregulated to any degree, allowing greater development.

Furthermore, the water and power and sewage-processing of the state is already drawn beyond even remotely safe capacities to provide. Where would all the new demand find its supply?

Etc.

Well I admit you do have a point here. California is aesthetically, culturally and weather wise the best state in the country, will always be and we really dont want everyone moving out here, especially all those bible thumping ignoramuses from the south. Let them stay in their putrid hot hell-holes with their minimum wage big box store walmart jobs.

[nullgeo]

Originally Posted by analyze_this

Well I admit you do have a point here. California is aesthetically, culturally and weather wise the best state in the country, will always be and we really dont want everyone moving out here, especially all those bible thumping ignoramuses from the south. Let them stay in their putrid hot hell-holes with their minimum wage big box store walmart jobs.

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