Calif dairies going broke (Petaluma, Sonoma: prices, military, vs)

[Woof]

Originally Posted by TVC15

Where do you read that I fear milk? And wow where did you get that because I only see large volumes of cow's milk at the grocery store that no other mammal milk exists? Cow's milk is what I am talking about.

My goodness you get all worked up over your assumptions of others.

Guess what I drink every morning? Organic Valley Reduced Fat Chocolate Milk...I drink it since it tastes so good and I hate coffee. It is my coffee not my nutritional food.

Cows milk is not a good source of nutrition. Show me a link that supports this. It contains 28% Calcium...and Soy Milk contains 30%. Soy milk is more nutritional than cow's milk since it has 6% iron, a higher percent of Vit A and much less saturated fat on top of zero Cholesterol.

Soy Milk Nutritional Data Nutrition Facts and Analysis for Soymilk, original and vanilla, with added calcium, vitamins A and D

Whole Cow Milk Nutritional Data Nutrition Facts and Analysis for Milk, whole, 3.25% milkfat

My point was to get people to think about why we drink cow's milk when it really is not all that nutritional.

It is freaking BIZARRE if you actually stop and think about it!

There is better and more nutritional non mammal milk sources out there.

I bet milk cows would be happy if humans tapped into those non mammal sources.

You did read your links, didn't you? Did you notice that the soymilk has added A, D, and Calcium? They're not naturally present, the nutrients are boosted to make it more like real milk. Also note that the quality of the protein in milk is higher, it has all the amino acids needed in large amounts ...... and if you're concerned about saturated fat, you can get skim milk.

[Woof]

Originally Posted by TVC15

......Show me a link that supports that milk is the most nutritionally complete food out there.

It is not the most nutritional food there is. Why would you think this?

Because I've studied the nutritional profiles of many foods, and have not found one better than milk. Iirc, liver comes close, but that has toxins and too much iron (iron over a small amount is considered to be harmful to health).

But if you disbelieve, please show us a more nutritionally complete natural food that is not fortified.

Originally Posted by nullgeo

Your opinion of the value of milk to human diet is precisely a perfect example of the Dairy Council's incredibly effective consumer engineering efforts over many decades. I am not singling you out as foolish. The vast majority of America has been listening to the propaganda their entire lives, unopposed. You are a pretty sharp poster, IMO, most of the time. I'd bet if you researched the controversies about milk as a healthy food, you'd be astounded at the facts to support a negative view. Nutrients and protein in themselves do not make a good food. Digestability is paramount in order to benefit from the protein, for example. What milk does to many peoples' digestive systems is an eye opener. Additive homones are another shocker. How dairy operations pollute the earth, air, and water supplies is frightening thus also being destructive to human health. Cow's milk is simply not a naturally suitable food for humans, although it is tolerable, and even useful, under certain circumstances and alterations. Check it out.

Most of your concerns apply to other agribusiness products also, and can be avoided by getting organic milk. Organic Valley is one that has very high standards.

[TVC15]

Originally Posted by Woof

You did read your links, didn't you? Did you notice that the soymilk has added A, D, and Calcium? They're not naturally present, the nutrients are boosted to make it more like real milk. Also note that the quality of the protein in milk is higher, it has all the amino acids needed in large amounts ...... and if you're concerned about saturated fat, you can get skim milk.

Of course I read my links.

Where in any of those links do you find that cow's milk is a most nutritional food? The percent of protein in Soy is 6% and cow's milk 8%... not much of a significant difference.

That was your claim and you still have not provided a link that supports your claim.

BTW did you know that cow milk is also fortified with Vit D? Nutritional Sources Of Essential Amino Acids | LIVESTRONG.COM

So is bread Woof Woof


I suggest you educate yourself about the 8 or 9 essential amino acids (out of the 23) that humans require and all the non milk sources that can provide them.

Egg whites work great...Co*k a doodle do

Nutritional Sources Of Essential Amino Acids | LIVESTRONG.COM

[expatCA]

Originally Posted by TVC15

Of course I read my links.

Where in any of those links do you find that cow's milk is a most nutritional food? The percent of protein in Soy is 6% and cow's milk 8%... not much of a significant difference.

That was your claim and you still have not provided a link that supports your claim.

BTW did you know that cow milk is also fortified with Vit D? Nutritional Sources Of Essential Amino Acids | LIVESTRONG.COM

So is bread Woof Woof


I suggest you educate yourself about the 8 or 9 essential amino acids (out of the 23) that humans require and all the non milk sources that can provide them.

Egg whites work great...Co*k a doodle do

Nutritional Sources Of Essential Amino Acids | LIVESTRONG.COM

Once it is pasteurized everything has to be added.

[TrueTimbers]

Originally Posted by expatCA

Once it is pasteurized everything has to be added.

Yep..
I will take mine raw, unpasteurized, not Homogonized... And from grass fed cows... Thank you..

I honestly have mixed emotions on this subject... One side of me says let the whole industrial ag system collapse... That is what will be best for all of us small farmers and the consumers... Sure you may pay more but what you get will be better, not the industrial crap all jacked up on antibiotics and growth hormones..

[TVC15]

Opps this is the link that I meant to post showing how milk is also fortified with Vit A and D

What Is Fortification Of Milk? | LIVESTRONG.COM

[jkbatca]

Originally Posted by .highnlite

something to consider, milk prices are artificially supported by the government. If they weren't, dairies would have gone under years ago.

Consider the illogic of federal dairy policies. They jack up milk prices for millions of families at the same time that other programs, such as food stamps, aim to reduce food costs. And although federal law generally prohibits cartels, a federal dairy cartel enforces high milk prices. If Coke and Pepsi got together and agreed to hike prices, they would be prosecuted. But with milk, raising prices is government policy.

Originally Posted by .highnlite

Us milk drinkers have been forced to pay far more for milk than its actual market value. Our dairies, usually run by good patriotic Republican dairy men, have been socialist for decades.

That's all true. Even worse, the reason mentioned in the article of why dairy farmers are hurting is because of rising feed costs. Very much part of that rising cost is due to government subsidies of using corn and such for ethanol, trading food for fuel. Even worse, the federal government and especially California's CARB (AB32) artificially increases demand for ethanol made from the same source as used for dairy cows. There's a double whammy on the supply vs demand of feed for cows and dairy. So, here's yet another example where in the quest of reducing carbon (I'm looking at Brown / Pavley / AB32), government is now making food more expensive all around as a result.

Government intervention makes things worse. Who ever thought .highnlite and I would agree? Must be a sign of the apocalypse.

[Think4Yourself]

The problem is low milk prices due to over supply. My suggestion to dairy farmers is to move up the value chain and instead of just selling raw milk to processors start processing it yourself. Open up an artisan cheese company, don't just make the run of the mill cheeses like cheddar or mozzarella and instead do what the cow girl creamery did and develop your own brands, styles, and finished products which you can sell at a premium. An excellent (non-dairy) example of this moving up the value chain is Maine Mead Works which originally was just a company which rented out bee hives to farmers and sold the honey, the problem was cheap honey from China was putting all the US honey makers out of business, so MMW decided to move up the value chain and began brewing and bottling honey mead with it's honey. They get several times the price of the honey from their mead plus it means the company creates value added which can justify premium pricing in the market.

If some dairy farmer just wants to sit on his butt complaining then he'll go out of business so if he wants to remain just a cattle guy he better buy a lot more land and run a lot more cows to get the economies of scale needed to remain afloat or failing that find a way to move up the value chain adding value. It's capitalism at work folks.

[TrueTimbers]

Originally Posted by Think4Yourself

The problem is low milk prices due to over supply. My suggestion to dairy farmers is to move up the value chain and instead of just selling raw milk to processors start processing it yourself. Open up an artisan cheese company, don't just make the run of the mill cheeses like cheddar or mozzarella and instead do what the cow girl creamery did and develop your own brands, styles, and finished products which you can sell at a premium. An excellent (non-dairy) example of this moving up the value chain is Maine Mead Works which originally was just a company which rented out bee hives to farmers and sold the honey, the problem was cheap honey from China was putting all the US honey makers out of business, so MMW decided to move up the value chain and began brewing and bottling honey mead with it's honey. They get several times the price of the honey from their mead plus it means the company creates value added which can justify premium pricing in the market.

If some dairy farmer just wants to sit on his butt complaining then he'll go out of business so if he wants to remain just a cattle guy he better buy a lot more land and run a lot more cows to get the economies of scale needed to remain afloat or failing that find a way to move up the value chain adding value. It's capitalism at work folks.

Is it though..
Bet dollars to dognuts that Chinese honey was heavily subsidized! I do not disagree one bit on the small and mid size guys going boutique and making value added products, however one needs to try and understand the world of subsidies and the relationship to free market economics..

Like I said before, I really do not know what to think with subsidies, I suppose if we remove them we should remove all of them! But what is a subsidy, everything is entangled... The US military is a subsidy to the price of oil... Price of oil impacts farmers... Heck, goverment printing money, QE to bail out banks... drives up commodity prices, this increases costs to farmers!

Where to start where to stop.. I surely can not say...

Anyway, dated interesting article, on Clover dairy..
Sonoma County dairy farmers split with Petaluma-based Clover Stornetta | PressDemocrat.com

[Exitus Acta Probat]

More nutrient shortages...another component of Agenda 21.