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Old 11-10-2012, 01:46 PM
 
Location: SW MO
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As a former cop and one who spent his last 20 years dealing with forensic issues legislatively, I can tell you that three strikes, Jessica's Law and the many other "well-intentioned," tough on crime laws were passed more to make certain members of the Legislature look good than to actually accomplish something reasonable. Most of them were ill-conceived, badly written and all too obviously far more costly than the public was informed of. There were holes in all of them you can drive a Mack truck through. And even though I and others pointed these things out to the governor and the legislature, it made no difference. Now, years later, what we knew would ultimately occur has done so and the taxpayers are on the hook for it.
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Old 11-10-2012, 04:01 PM
 
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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As a former cop and one who spent his last 20 years dealing with forensic issues legislatively, I can tell you that three strikes, Jessica's Law and the many other "well-intentioned," tough on crime laws were passed more to make certain members of the Legislature look good than to actually accomplish something reasonable. Most of them were ill-conceived, badly written and all too obviously far more costly than the public was informed of. There were holes in all of them you can drive a Mack truck through. And even though I and others pointed these things out to the governor and the legislature, it made no difference. Now, years later, what we knew would ultimately occur has done so and the taxpayers are on the hook for it.
When the three strikes law was first passed, I thought "wow great idea". I have an uncle retired from Oakland Police. He said pretty much what you just did; that it wasn't designed to actually fight crime.
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Old 11-10-2012, 04:24 PM
 
Location: South Park, San Diego
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When the three strikes law was first passed, I thought "wow great idea". I have an uncle retired from Oakland Police. He said pretty much what you just did; that it wasn't designed to actually fight crime.
It was passed more to keep the all powerful CCPOA (prison union) happy than for any reduction in crime. They have us by the balls to the tune of eight BILLION dollars a year- more than we spend for all higher education in this state. Thankfully, the voters at least brought the law back in line (violent offenses) with every other state that has similar laws. There has been no proof whatsoever that the overall reduction in crime has anything to do with the three strikes law.
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Old 11-10-2012, 04:43 PM
 
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It was passed more to keep the all powerful CCPOA (prison union) happy than for any reduction in crime. They have us by the balls to the tune of eight BILLION dollars a year- more than we spend for all higher education in this state.
CDCR Budget 7.8% of overall budget ($2 billion is inmate medical care), Higher Education 7.1%, a 7/10ths difference and considering employee costs are a small sliver of the $10 billion CDCR budget I think it's just a slight exaggeration on your part to suggest that prison guards are costing the state $8 billion dollars a year considering that "prison guards" are only one of the classifications of employees employed by CDCR, the cost is significantly less.


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There has been no proof whatsoever that the overall reduction in crime has anything to do with the three strikes law.
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What has happened is nothing less than miraculous. In 1993 California had the fourth-highest crime rate in the United States. Within just four years of three strikes, California went from the fourth highest to the 29th highest. Three strikes has cut our rates in half and has kept them there. This drop was not only historic, it has provided a new freedom for the people who live in California. Everyone, whether they like three strikes or not, has only one-half the chance of being the victim of a violent crime because of the three-strikes law.
Viewpoints: Should voters modify '3-strikes' law? No - Viewpoints - The Sacramento Bee
Crime across the board was climbing, what happened in 1993? hmmmm... all of a sudden a decline year after year in all categories not just violent crime.

California Crime Rates 1960 - 2011

You can surely find articles that will say it had no effect, or even raised it or caused people to turn homosexual...whatever, the point is once you remove serious consequences to serious crimes you have removed a deterrent and you will reap what you sow, you get what you ask for... crime is up since the implementation of AB109 across the state, tell me again how removing consequences reduced crime?

Viewpoints: Should voters modify '3-strikes' law? No - Viewpoints - The Sacramento Bee
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Old 11-10-2012, 04:52 PM
 
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I think it's safe to start packing, or packing up and getting out.

California plans to drop warrants for some parole violators - latimes.com
Only in CALI-corn-hole-you
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Old 11-10-2012, 06:18 PM
 
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When the three strikes law was first passed, I thought "wow great idea". I have an uncle retired from Oakland Police. He said pretty much what you just did; that it wasn't designed to actually fight crime.
It matter of time before the three strikes law is done away from it costing them way too much money and prison overcrowding. And too many people in for life or long prison term for non violent crime.

I have no sympathy for repeat inmates that get out prison and kill or rape again give them life sentence But there no reason DUI ,drug , theft, fraud and shoplifting is getting long prison terms for misdemeanor cases.
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Old 11-11-2012, 10:18 AM
 
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I have no sympathy for repeat inmates that get out prison and kill or rape again give them life sentence But there no reason DUI ,drug , theft, fraud and shoplifting is getting long prison terms for misdemeanor cases.
say that when YOUR car gets stolen taken to a chop shop, stripped and dumped, when YOUR house gets broken into and ransacked, when YOUR checking account gets emptied by fraud, come back then...
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Old 11-14-2012, 12:49 PM
 
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say that when YOUR car gets stolen taken to a chop shop, stripped and dumped, when YOUR house gets broken into and ransacked, when YOUR checking account gets emptied by fraud, come back then...
Putting people in Jail , getting more cops on the street , tough laws is not going to help if area is poor or people can't get jobs and have to turn to crime to support one self.It better to get to the root of the problem.

Also I be more upset if middle class kid broke into my house than some one making less than $25,000 a year.

Yes some people do crime just because they are selfish most do because they are poor.
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Old 11-15-2012, 12:42 PM
 
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Putting people in Jail , getting more cops on the street , tough laws is not going to help if area is poor or people can't get jobs and have to turn to crime to support one self.It better to get to the root of the problem.

Also I be more upset if middle class kid broke into my house than some one making less than $25,000 a year.

Yes some people do crime just because they are selfish most do because they are poor.
You can expect more of this then, have fun with realignment.

Parolees avoiding GPS pose a danger, agents, victims say | News - KCRA Home
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